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		<title>By: -&#62; One reason NBA Superstars don&#8217;t get fouls called on them? Because of the home crowd.</title>
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		<dc:creator>-&#62; One reason NBA Superstars don&#8217;t get fouls called on them? Because of the home crowd.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jan 2011 04:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for traveling or technicals or anything else. Some sources: Sam Smith: LeBron gets star treatment, LeBron&#8217;s Foul Issue, Real GM: Do Superstars Foul?. Undoubtedly, some of the perceived or real bias might be because it [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Hanes</title>
		<link>http://www.emptythebench.com/2010/01/26/lebron-james-fouls/comment-page-2/#comment-207032</link>
		<dc:creator>Hanes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 23:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there have been a lot of intelligent posts on this blog and astute observations.  I think there is a bit of truth to what many people have said.  The NBA, very clearly, gives the benefit of the doubt to &quot;superstars&quot; that can be faces of the league.  However, Lebron is special and does limit reaching / guarding the opposition&#039;s best defender.

There are two key factors here that haven&#039;t been discussed enough:

1) Offensive Fouls - What are the total number of offensive fouls called on Lebron?  As I watch games, and I&#039;m a basketball nut/lifer, unfair treatment for Lebron mostly occurs here.   For the number of FTs he gets per game, he most definitely should get called for more offensive fouls.  Not just because there is a set FT/offensive foul ratio (I&#039;m sure Durant get&#039;s a ton of FTs without Off fouls), but more given Lebron&#039;s skill set and how he is defended.  Lebron&#039;s main offensive weapon is attacking with power and he does everything from bump set defenders to dropping his shoulder.  I do think he has great body control for someone his size and does avoid a good number of fouls ... but not as often as the refs seem to think so.  Also, what&#039;s worse, is that there are many &quot;50/50&quot; charge/block scenarios where Lebron will go to the line even though he created all the contact.  Other guards (CP3, Nash, Wade) do this as well, however, but Lebron is more power than these guys.  

2) Lebron&#039;s OLYMPIC stats! - Nobody has mentioned that Lebron averaged 2.0 fouls per game in less that 25 minutes per game of international play!!  And keep in mind, many of those games were against EXTREMELY inferior athletic talent.  And, remember, Kobe defended like a ball hawk throughout the entire tournament and played more minutes in the later meaningful games against the better teams ... and had only 3 more fouls in similar minutes.  More importantly, why was Lebron&#039;s foul rate per minute almost double his NBA foul rate??  

I know there are a few generic retorts here ... 1) NBA rules different along with court size, 2) Cavs allow him to roam and olympic team didn&#039;t, 3)He played a different position at times on that team, 4) Zone defenses in particular made it harder for him .... etc, etc ... but before you start going off on those retorts, do they really overcome 1) DOUBLE the foul rate, 2) Much weaker talent on opposition, much more talent on his own team 3) Most importantly, he attacked the rim much less and drew way fewer FT attempts (3 per game) ... meaning he wasn&#039;t even putting himself in position to get offensive fouls as often.

Finally, for those that try to objectively watch the games ... Lebron was a totally different player when reffed by international rules.  Granted, the zone rules and court size do affect him negatively to some degree ... but the international refs treated him like everyone else and he was consistently frustrated by it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there have been a lot of intelligent posts on this blog and astute observations.  I think there is a bit of truth to what many people have said.  The NBA, very clearly, gives the benefit of the doubt to &#8220;superstars&#8221; that can be faces of the league.  However, Lebron is special and does limit reaching / guarding the opposition&#8217;s best defender.</p>
<p>There are two key factors here that haven&#8217;t been discussed enough:</p>
<p>1) Offensive Fouls &#8211; What are the total number of offensive fouls called on Lebron?  As I watch games, and I&#8217;m a basketball nut/lifer, unfair treatment for Lebron mostly occurs here.   For the number of FTs he gets per game, he most definitely should get called for more offensive fouls.  Not just because there is a set FT/offensive foul ratio (I&#8217;m sure Durant get&#8217;s a ton of FTs without Off fouls), but more given Lebron&#8217;s skill set and how he is defended.  Lebron&#8217;s main offensive weapon is attacking with power and he does everything from bump set defenders to dropping his shoulder.  I do think he has great body control for someone his size and does avoid a good number of fouls &#8230; but not as often as the refs seem to think so.  Also, what&#8217;s worse, is that there are many &#8220;50/50&#8243; charge/block scenarios where Lebron will go to the line even though he created all the contact.  Other guards (CP3, Nash, Wade) do this as well, however, but Lebron is more power than these guys.  </p>
<p>2) Lebron&#8217;s OLYMPIC stats! &#8211; Nobody has mentioned that Lebron averaged 2.0 fouls per game in less that 25 minutes per game of international play!!  And keep in mind, many of those games were against EXTREMELY inferior athletic talent.  And, remember, Kobe defended like a ball hawk throughout the entire tournament and played more minutes in the later meaningful games against the better teams &#8230; and had only 3 more fouls in similar minutes.  More importantly, why was Lebron&#8217;s foul rate per minute almost double his NBA foul rate??  </p>
<p>I know there are a few generic retorts here &#8230; 1) NBA rules different along with court size, 2) Cavs allow him to roam and olympic team didn&#8217;t, 3)He played a different position at times on that team, 4) Zone defenses in particular made it harder for him &#8230;. etc, etc &#8230; but before you start going off on those retorts, do they really overcome 1) DOUBLE the foul rate, 2) Much weaker talent on opposition, much more talent on his own team 3) Most importantly, he attacked the rim much less and drew way fewer FT attempts (3 per game) &#8230; meaning he wasn&#8217;t even putting himself in position to get offensive fouls as often.</p>
<p>Finally, for those that try to objectively watch the games &#8230; Lebron was a totally different player when reffed by international rules.  Granted, the zone rules and court size do affect him negatively to some degree &#8230; but the international refs treated him like everyone else and he was consistently frustrated by it.</p>
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		<title>By: Foul&#8230;&#8230;. &#171; The Census</title>
		<link>http://www.emptythebench.com/2010/01/26/lebron-james-fouls/comment-page-2/#comment-206965</link>
		<dc:creator>Foul&#8230;&#8230;. &#171; The Census</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 15:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Brian Spencer</title>
		<link>http://www.emptythebench.com/2010/01/26/lebron-james-fouls/comment-page-2/#comment-196781</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zach, I know you thought that video was supposed to back up your argument, but I’ll tell you what it really evinces.  First, it shows you obvious wrote this article in order to back up your dislike for LBJ.  A video of him throwing a tantrum has nothing to do with you original thesis that NBA referees bending the rules for Lebron James.  In fact, this video shows that James doesn’t get preferential treatment by the NBA.  He mouthed off to the ref, got a T, threw a tantrum, and then got fined, which is exactly what’s supposed to happen to any NBA player.  Furthermore, it’s quite a stretch to go from “Lebron is mad because he didn’t get a call” to “Lebron is mad because he didn’t get his usual preferential treatment which is proof that such preferential treatment exists.”  But then again, you obviously have no problem in vaulting over any logical steps that may stop you from reaching your preconceived conclusion.

Even worse, the video clearly shows Sessions fouling James!  I’m not sure if you’re familiar with the rules of basketball, but just “getting a hand on the ball” doesn’t clear a defensive player of all fouling done before the ball is touched. In fact, watching it frame by frame (look around 0:24) shows Session committing a blocking foul and reaching foul SIMULTANEOUSLY!!  Sessions is moving his feet to put his body directly in front of a driving James while reaching across James’ body, hitting James’ arms and chest.  Anyone who has played organized b-ball past the age of 12 knows, reaching in will almost always get you called for a foul, regardless of whether you touch the ball or not, especially when you reach across the ball handler the way Sessions did.

Zeke, you must also be playing on the same “Jump-to-conclusions” mat as Zach.  No one here has said Lebron James’ talent overshadows that of Michael Jordan, just like no one thinks a low foul count can be attributed to only one of Zach’s four options. We’re simply giving reasons of why James has such a low FPG average that are better than “the refs are cheating”.

Furthermore, as I and others have stated, Zach’s use of statistics was either incompetent or outright dishonest.  Zach use of this chi-squared test doesn’t suggest that James’ ability to avoid fouls is ludicrous.  It suggests that Zach’s understanding of a chi-squared test is ludicrous.  I believe Zach realized this and is the reason he shied away from defending his number in either one of his retorts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zach, I know you thought that video was supposed to back up your argument, but I’ll tell you what it really evinces.  First, it shows you obvious wrote this article in order to back up your dislike for LBJ.  A video of him throwing a tantrum has nothing to do with you original thesis that NBA referees bending the rules for Lebron James.  In fact, this video shows that James doesn’t get preferential treatment by the NBA.  He mouthed off to the ref, got a T, threw a tantrum, and then got fined, which is exactly what’s supposed to happen to any NBA player.  Furthermore, it’s quite a stretch to go from “Lebron is mad because he didn’t get a call” to “Lebron is mad because he didn’t get his usual preferential treatment which is proof that such preferential treatment exists.”  But then again, you obviously have no problem in vaulting over any logical steps that may stop you from reaching your preconceived conclusion.</p>
<p>Even worse, the video clearly shows Sessions fouling James!  I’m not sure if you’re familiar with the rules of basketball, but just “getting a hand on the ball” doesn’t clear a defensive player of all fouling done before the ball is touched. In fact, watching it frame by frame (look around 0:24) shows Session committing a blocking foul and reaching foul SIMULTANEOUSLY!!  Sessions is moving his feet to put his body directly in front of a driving James while reaching across James’ body, hitting James’ arms and chest.  Anyone who has played organized b-ball past the age of 12 knows, reaching in will almost always get you called for a foul, regardless of whether you touch the ball or not, especially when you reach across the ball handler the way Sessions did.</p>
<p>Zeke, you must also be playing on the same “Jump-to-conclusions” mat as Zach.  No one here has said Lebron James’ talent overshadows that of Michael Jordan, just like no one thinks a low foul count can be attributed to only one of Zach’s four options. We’re simply giving reasons of why James has such a low FPG average that are better than “the refs are cheating”.</p>
<p>Furthermore, as I and others have stated, Zach’s use of statistics was either incompetent or outright dishonest.  Zach use of this chi-squared test doesn’t suggest that James’ ability to avoid fouls is ludicrous.  It suggests that Zach’s understanding of a chi-squared test is ludicrous.  I believe Zach realized this and is the reason he shied away from defending his number in either one of his retorts.</p>
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		<title>By: Zeke</title>
		<link>http://www.emptythebench.com/2010/01/26/lebron-james-fouls/comment-page-2/#comment-191732</link>
		<dc:creator>Zeke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 23:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1st point. To those claiming, oh well Lebron is really above average. He is special. Is he really that much better than Jordan? Is that your premise? That the consensus best player of all time is dwarfed by Lebron? 

2nd point. You guys may have valid points about the way Lebron plays defense is different than the way other players play defense, hence his foul counts are different. But how many games of other players do you watch? How do you know they don&#039;t do the same things you claim Lebron does to diminish the fouls? 

3rd point. Despite all your claims about defensive differences and how Lebron doesn&#039;t get preferential treatment, the brain forgets alot over a long season. Hell, the brain forgets alot over a game. Statistics allows us to take a large amount of data and make inferences. Yes it is possible Lebron James has a special talent at avoiding fouls. The statistics suggest that to be ludicrous. So while you as fans can say that doesn&#039;t jive with my memory, you would be wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1st point. To those claiming, oh well Lebron is really above average. He is special. Is he really that much better than Jordan? Is that your premise? That the consensus best player of all time is dwarfed by Lebron? </p>
<p>2nd point. You guys may have valid points about the way Lebron plays defense is different than the way other players play defense, hence his foul counts are different. But how many games of other players do you watch? How do you know they don&#8217;t do the same things you claim Lebron does to diminish the fouls? </p>
<p>3rd point. Despite all your claims about defensive differences and how Lebron doesn&#8217;t get preferential treatment, the brain forgets alot over a long season. Hell, the brain forgets alot over a game. Statistics allows us to take a large amount of data and make inferences. Yes it is possible Lebron James has a special talent at avoiding fouls. The statistics suggest that to be ludicrous. So while you as fans can say that doesn&#8217;t jive with my memory, you would be wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Melo</title>
		<link>http://www.emptythebench.com/2010/01/26/lebron-james-fouls/comment-page-2/#comment-191716</link>
		<dc:creator>Melo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 20:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been saying that to my lebron fans. we have 2 clear explanations:
1) he whines but rarely gets technicals, and the NBA wants him to win so bad even if he fouls it is ignored. 
2) he rarely guards the best player except for last time when he was guarding Melo you saw how that worked out. he is always roaming on defense and plays the weakest player on the other team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been saying that to my lebron fans. we have 2 clear explanations:<br />
1) he whines but rarely gets technicals, and the NBA wants him to win so bad even if he fouls it is ignored.<br />
2) he rarely guards the best player except for last time when he was guarding Melo you saw how that worked out. he is always roaming on defense and plays the weakest player on the other team.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 05:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zach, it&#039;s pretty weak to respond to specific criticism by posting a clip of one play. It&#039;s not hard to find a clip for any player showing anything you want to. Or do you think if I find a clip of Lebron being whistled for a foul he didn&#039;t commit that that invalidates your article?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zach, it&#8217;s pretty weak to respond to specific criticism by posting a clip of one play. It&#8217;s not hard to find a clip for any player showing anything you want to. Or do you think if I find a clip of Lebron being whistled for a foul he didn&#8217;t commit that that invalidates your article?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.emptythebench.com/2010/01/26/lebron-james-fouls/comment-page-2/#comment-187670</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The columnist wrote the piece implying that the 1.8 fouls per game for his career against Lebron was unprecedented in NBA history. But then I decided to look up current NBA small forwards and immediately found Deng is also at 1.8 fouls per game for his career and Prince had only 1.4 fouls. 

(There might be more SFs at sucha  low foul level; I only looked at the teams in Lebron&#039;s division, and found that 2 of the 4 SFs had similar lifetime foul averages).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The columnist wrote the piece implying that the 1.8 fouls per game for his career against Lebron was unprecedented in NBA history. But then I decided to look up current NBA small forwards and immediately found Deng is also at 1.8 fouls per game for his career and Prince had only 1.4 fouls. </p>
<p>(There might be more SFs at sucha  low foul level; I only looked at the teams in Lebron&#8217;s division, and found that 2 of the 4 SFs had similar lifetime foul averages).</p>
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		<title>By: g</title>
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		<dc:creator>g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow &quot;Les&quot;, I am weeping by your lack of presenting anything to challenge the fact that Le-BJ gets away with multiple offensive fouls a game. Good job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow &#8220;Les&#8221;, I am weeping by your lack of presenting anything to challenge the fact that Le-BJ gets away with multiple offensive fouls a game. Good job.</p>
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