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	<title>Comments on: Hasheem Thabeet or Bust for OKC Thunder</title>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 03:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL I&#039;m from the year 2011 where Brendan K&#039;s comment is hilarious!!!

&quot;Have you heard the chatter that Westbrook or Green and OKC’s #3 pick could be up for trade to the Clips for 1st overall? Ft. Worth paper reported it and The Baseline reposted it. Maybe I’m crazy, but I see Jeff Green as having a better pro career than Griffin- he’s got way more skills and is a more versatile piece that I could see doing a lot for a good team in the future, where Griffin seems like a rotation PF, maybe a career starter at best.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL I&#8217;m from the year 2011 where Brendan K&#8217;s comment is hilarious!!!</p>
<p>&#8220;Have you heard the chatter that Westbrook or Green and OKC’s #3 pick could be up for trade to the Clips for 1st overall? Ft. Worth paper reported it and The Baseline reposted it. Maybe I’m crazy, but I see Jeff Green as having a better pro career than Griffin- he’s got way more skills and is a more versatile piece that I could see doing a lot for a good team in the future, where Griffin seems like a rotation PF, maybe a career starter at best.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan K.</title>
		<link>http://www.emptythebench.com/2009/05/21/hasheem-thabeet-or-bust-for-okc-thunder/comment-page-1/#comment-118754</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendan K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 14:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As ever, Brian. As ever...

;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As ever, Brian. As ever&#8230;</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.emptythebench.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Brian Spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 08:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All good, fair points Brendan; I think our slight difference of opinion simply boils down to our differing thoughts about Thabeet&#039;s potential to be a good fit for the Thunder over the long run. And that&#039;s okay, we can just agree to disagree on that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All good, fair points Brendan; I think our slight difference of opinion simply boils down to our differing thoughts about Thabeet&#8217;s potential to be a good fit for the Thunder over the long run. And that&#8217;s okay, we can just agree to disagree on that one.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 06:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Brian, first, I&#039;d say there is NO player in this draft who&#039;s a top-notch center prospect, meaning everybody is either a &quot;depth pick&quot; (plays a position accounted for by the current roster) or else a sign that moves need to be made (like Westbrook out of the PG role, which is a highly debatable topic.)

Mostly, I think we disagree on the immediate future of the OKC Thunder. Look, you if put Rip Hamilton on this team tomorrow, they still won&#039;t make the playoffs for 3 years at the earliest (median age of Green/Durant/Westbrook in 2010: just under 25, which would be the youngest of any this year&#039;s playoffs teams&#039; starters.) That means you get a Rip who&#039;s helped mentor the younger guys (maybe) at a weak seed, tehy lose first round, and then Rip retires at, say, age 36.

My problem with Thabeet is not really the franchise&#039; recent bad luck with bigs (that was a dig at Leah), but rather the fact that he is, by nobody&#039;s estimation, the anywhere near the best prospect available at #3 or later in this year&#039;s draft. Nobody is projecting him to be Motumbo, let alone Hakeem. If I drafted him, I&#039;d be happy if he turned into the Samuel Dalembert from a couple of years ago, at best (which would be nice, just not a value equal to the 3rd pick overall.)

The Thunder have cap space and youth. Why not trade down a couple of spots? A swap of the #3 pick for Washington&#039;s #5 and Javale McGee has been floated, according to Chap Ford. Why not use 2009 to grab another best-young-player-available or 3 with their absurd number of picks, and see where the Thunder are in another year? This team will improve no matter what (the core players are too good and too young not to, just look at their progress this year) and taking, say, Demar DeRozen or Jordan Hill at #5 would be, in the absolute worst case scenario, another addition to your hand full of trading chips.

The Thunder have too many options availablet o them to settle on Thabeet at #3. If Rubio won&#039;t play for OKC (as his agent has threatened), there are other ways to develop the team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Brian, first, I&#8217;d say there is NO player in this draft who&#8217;s a top-notch center prospect, meaning everybody is either a &#8220;depth pick&#8221; (plays a position accounted for by the current roster) or else a sign that moves need to be made (like Westbrook out of the PG role, which is a highly debatable topic.)</p>
<p>Mostly, I think we disagree on the immediate future of the OKC Thunder. Look, you if put Rip Hamilton on this team tomorrow, they still won&#8217;t make the playoffs for 3 years at the earliest (median age of Green/Durant/Westbrook in 2010: just under 25, which would be the youngest of any this year&#8217;s playoffs teams&#8217; starters.) That means you get a Rip who&#8217;s helped mentor the younger guys (maybe) at a weak seed, tehy lose first round, and then Rip retires at, say, age 36.</p>
<p>My problem with Thabeet is not really the franchise&#8217; recent bad luck with bigs (that was a dig at Leah), but rather the fact that he is, by nobody&#8217;s estimation, the anywhere near the best prospect available at #3 or later in this year&#8217;s draft. Nobody is projecting him to be Motumbo, let alone Hakeem. If I drafted him, I&#8217;d be happy if he turned into the Samuel Dalembert from a couple of years ago, at best (which would be nice, just not a value equal to the 3rd pick overall.)</p>
<p>The Thunder have cap space and youth. Why not trade down a couple of spots? A swap of the #3 pick for Washington&#8217;s #5 and Javale McGee has been floated, according to Chap Ford. Why not use 2009 to grab another best-young-player-available or 3 with their absurd number of picks, and see where the Thunder are in another year? This team will improve no matter what (the core players are too good and too young not to, just look at their progress this year) and taking, say, Demar DeRozen or Jordan Hill at #5 would be, in the absolute worst case scenario, another addition to your hand full of trading chips.</p>
<p>The Thunder have too many options availablet o them to settle on Thabeet at #3. If Rubio won&#8217;t play for OKC (as his agent has threatened), there are other ways to develop the team.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Spencer</title>
		<link>http://www.emptythebench.com/2009/05/21/hasheem-thabeet-or-bust-for-okc-thunder/comment-page-1/#comment-118683</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 02:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hadn&#039;t seen that rumor, Brendan; I&#039;m not sure I believe it. I&#039;ve been very critical about the questionable picks (and ultimately misses) the Sonics&#039; made at center over the years, but that was then, this is now. Is Thabeet a can&#039;t-miss prospect? Not necessarily. But the fact remains that they have a gaping hole in the middle, that Thabeet is the highest rated center available in this draft, and as long as Westbrook is on the roster, it just doesn&#039;t make sense to draft Rubio (who apparently doesn&#039;t want to be there anyway). 

They can&#039;t be afraid of drafting Thabeet because of the Sene/Petro/Swift picks; the Detroit Lions have struck out something like 10 times trying to draft a franchise quarterback, but that doesn&#039;t mean they should stop trying and shouldn&#039;t have drafted Matt Stafford. As for option 3... that essentially amounts to a depth pick, right? Jeff Green and Kevin Durant are the starting 3 and 4--any true PF pick is just depth, and that&#039;s usually not what you&#039;re looking for with a top-three pick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hadn&#8217;t seen that rumor, Brendan; I&#8217;m not sure I believe it. I&#8217;ve been very critical about the questionable picks (and ultimately misses) the Sonics&#8217; made at center over the years, but that was then, this is now. Is Thabeet a can&#8217;t-miss prospect? Not necessarily. But the fact remains that they have a gaping hole in the middle, that Thabeet is the highest rated center available in this draft, and as long as Westbrook is on the roster, it just doesn&#8217;t make sense to draft Rubio (who apparently doesn&#8217;t want to be there anyway). </p>
<p>They can&#8217;t be afraid of drafting Thabeet because of the Sene/Petro/Swift picks; the Detroit Lions have struck out something like 10 times trying to draft a franchise quarterback, but that doesn&#8217;t mean they should stop trying and shouldn&#8217;t have drafted Matt Stafford. As for option 3&#8230; that essentially amounts to a depth pick, right? Jeff Green and Kevin Durant are the starting 3 and 4&#8211;any true PF pick is just depth, and that&#8217;s usually not what you&#8217;re looking for with a top-three pick.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan K.</title>
		<link>http://www.emptythebench.com/2009/05/21/hasheem-thabeet-or-bust-for-okc-thunder/comment-page-1/#comment-118682</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendan K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 02:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because the franchise has had such great success with foreign-born, offensively limited project centers in the past? I think Thabeet is obviously better than Sene/Petro, but I don&#039;t know how much better he&#039;ll end up being than his current ceiling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because the franchise has had such great success with foreign-born, offensively limited project centers in the past? I think Thabeet is obviously better than Sene/Petro, but I don&#8217;t know how much better he&#8217;ll end up being than his current ceiling.</p>
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		<title>By: Leah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 22:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why on earth are you putting any stock in a ft worth paper&#039;s speculation about OKC? 

I completely agree with you on Hasheem Thabeet. He will be in a thunder uniform this summer. I love the guy and he has great upside. He&#039;s pretty impressive for only playing basketball for like 6 years and he can only improve from here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why on earth are you putting any stock in a ft worth paper&#8217;s speculation about OKC? </p>
<p>I completely agree with you on Hasheem Thabeet. He will be in a thunder uniform this summer. I love the guy and he has great upside. He&#8217;s pretty impressive for only playing basketball for like 6 years and he can only improve from here.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan K.</title>
		<link>http://www.emptythebench.com/2009/05/21/hasheem-thabeet-or-bust-for-okc-thunder/comment-page-1/#comment-118646</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendan K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 21:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you heard the chatter that Westbrook or Green and OKC&#039;s #3 pick could be up for trade to the Clips for 1st overall? Ft. Worth paper reported it and The Baseline reposted it. Maybe I&#039;m crazy, but I see Jeff Green as having a better pro career than Griffin- he&#039;s got way more skills and is a more versatile piece that I could see doing a lot for a good team in the future, where Griffin seems like a rotation PF, maybe a career starter at best.

There&#039;s always the option #3, not mentioned by you: Draft another young player for either offense (James Harden) or upside (Jordan Hill.) Any thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you heard the chatter that Westbrook or Green and OKC&#8217;s #3 pick could be up for trade to the Clips for 1st overall? Ft. Worth paper reported it and The Baseline reposted it. Maybe I&#8217;m crazy, but I see Jeff Green as having a better pro career than Griffin- he&#8217;s got way more skills and is a more versatile piece that I could see doing a lot for a good team in the future, where Griffin seems like a rotation PF, maybe a career starter at best.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s always the option #3, not mentioned by you: Draft another young player for either offense (James Harden) or upside (Jordan Hill.) Any thoughts?</p>
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