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	<title>Comments on: Why Kevin McHale Still Doesn&#8217;t Get it and Kevin Love Won&#8217;t Fit in Minnesota</title>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;McHale and Larry Bird suffer from the same malady. They keep looking for players that remind them of themselves. Bird wanted to work with Stojakovic so he dealt Artest for Peja.&quot;

Brandon Hoffman, it is obvious from this statement that you are making a generalized stereotypical statement, and don&#039;t follow one second of Pacers basketball.  Ron Artest was a major problem for the franchise, and the fact that he was able to secure Peja had more to do with his complementary game for Jermaine Oneal.  I doubt he thought Peja was the next Larry Bird, and that had nothing to do with that trade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;McHale and Larry Bird suffer from the same malady. They keep looking for players that remind them of themselves. Bird wanted to work with Stojakovic so he dealt Artest for Peja.&#8221;</p>
<p>Brandon Hoffman, it is obvious from this statement that you are making a generalized stereotypical statement, and don&#8217;t follow one second of Pacers basketball.  Ron Artest was a major problem for the franchise, and the fact that he was able to secure Peja had more to do with his complementary game for Jermaine Oneal.  I doubt he thought Peja was the next Larry Bird, and that had nothing to do with that trade.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://nbainsidestuff.wordpress.com/2008/07/05/ranking-the-white-guys-in-the-nba/ Kevin Love is #12 on my list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://nbainsidestuff.wordpress.com/2008/07/05/ranking-the-white-guys-in-the-nba/" rel="nofollow">http://nbainsidestuff.wordpress.com/2008/07/05/ranking-the-white-guys-in-the-nba/</a> Kevin Love is #12 on my list.</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 22:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>they lived their for a while huh? well salt lake is really beautiful. ppl are too busy dissing it for their close minded religious reasons to realize its a great place to grow up. its weird at night how things close really early, but other than that, great town. it even has a great gay scene to it - so when ppl say its not open, they are wrong. just not very flashy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they lived their for a while huh? well salt lake is really beautiful. ppl are too busy dissing it for their close minded religious reasons to realize its a great place to grow up. its weird at night how things close really early, but other than that, great town. it even has a great gay scene to it &#8211; so when ppl say its not open, they are wrong. just not very flashy.</p>
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		<title>By: stopnpop</title>
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		<dc:creator>stopnpop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a little late to the party on this post, but I&#039;d like to point out a few problems with the 4/5 comparison you made with Al Jefferson:

1- Jefferson&#039;s time at the 3 at 82 Games is listed as 3% of his team&#039;s minutes while his time at the 5 is at 69%.  That&#039;s too much of a differential to be making straight comparisons about his relative worth at each spot.  

2- Taking #1 a bit further, the concept of comparing Jefferson&#039;s PER differential at the 4 and 5 produces a big number, but you also need to take into account the differential between offense and defense at each spot.  The main reason why there appears to be such a big difference between PERs is because Jefferson&#039;s PER at the 5 is +4 over the 4.  When it comes to the folks he&#039;s guarding, there&#039;s only a difference of -0.9 with the aforementioned imbalanced sample size.  Jefferson&#039;s opponents operate at a borderline all star level whether he guards them at the 4 or 5.  

3- The 5 is the only position on the Wolves to have a positive differential in PER, points, and rebounds.  

The bottom line here is that for nearly 70% of his team&#039;s minutes Jefferson operated at All Star levels at the 5 on the offensive end of the floor for a team with zero perimeter defense, zero frontcourt help, and, for the better part of the season, a point guard who couldn&#039;t shoot.  

Should Jefferson put up similar numbers next year at the 5, with 3 perimeter players who can shoot 40% from 3, as well as a 4 who will hopefully provide the team a net gain at the position as well as being able to space the lane, this is the best deal McHale could have made with the resources he had.  OJ Mayo just wasn&#039;t going to be able to bring enough to the table to make him a big plus over guys like Foye and now Mike Miller.  Perimeter defense would have been about his only plus over Foye.  Love allows Gomes to be the glue guy off the bench at the 3/4 instead of the team&#039;s back up big.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a little late to the party on this post, but I&#8217;d like to point out a few problems with the 4/5 comparison you made with Al Jefferson:</p>
<p>1- Jefferson&#8217;s time at the 3 at 82 Games is listed as 3% of his team&#8217;s minutes while his time at the 5 is at 69%.  That&#8217;s too much of a differential to be making straight comparisons about his relative worth at each spot.  </p>
<p>2- Taking #1 a bit further, the concept of comparing Jefferson&#8217;s PER differential at the 4 and 5 produces a big number, but you also need to take into account the differential between offense and defense at each spot.  The main reason why there appears to be such a big difference between PERs is because Jefferson&#8217;s PER at the 5 is +4 over the 4.  When it comes to the folks he&#8217;s guarding, there&#8217;s only a difference of -0.9 with the aforementioned imbalanced sample size.  Jefferson&#8217;s opponents operate at a borderline all star level whether he guards them at the 4 or 5.  </p>
<p>3- The 5 is the only position on the Wolves to have a positive differential in PER, points, and rebounds.  </p>
<p>The bottom line here is that for nearly 70% of his team&#8217;s minutes Jefferson operated at All Star levels at the 5 on the offensive end of the floor for a team with zero perimeter defense, zero frontcourt help, and, for the better part of the season, a point guard who couldn&#8217;t shoot.  </p>
<p>Should Jefferson put up similar numbers next year at the 5, with 3 perimeter players who can shoot 40% from 3, as well as a 4 who will hopefully provide the team a net gain at the position as well as being able to space the lane, this is the best deal McHale could have made with the resources he had.  OJ Mayo just wasn&#8217;t going to be able to bring enough to the table to make him a big plus over guys like Foye and now Mike Miller.  Perimeter defense would have been about his only plus over Foye.  Love allows Gomes to be the glue guy off the bench at the 3/4 instead of the team&#8217;s back up big.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Thell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Thell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My family actually lived in Salt Lake City for a while -- it made Minneapolis look like Rio de Janeiro. 

What&#039;s the deal with those liquor laws?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My family actually lived in Salt Lake City for a while &#8212; it made Minneapolis look like Rio de Janeiro. </p>
<p>What&#8217;s the deal with those liquor laws?</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 04:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>um no, because the city of salt lake actually has some culture, believe it or not - they have clubs that play jazz music. i swear! they allow jazz music.

finding a grizzle bear anywhere near the state of Tennessee? lol - like david lettermen says - i&#039;ll pay you 1 million if you find a grizzle bear in memphis.

he totally burned that city. its a pathetic franchise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>um no, because the city of salt lake actually has some culture, believe it or not &#8211; they have clubs that play jazz music. i swear! they allow jazz music.</p>
<p>finding a grizzle bear anywhere near the state of Tennessee? lol &#8211; like david lettermen says &#8211; i&#8217;ll pay you 1 million if you find a grizzle bear in memphis.</p>
<p>he totally burned that city. its a pathetic franchise.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Thell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Thell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 14:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, they weren&#039;t always in Memphis.

It makes a hell of a lot more sense than the Utah Jazz...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, they weren&#8217;t always in Memphis.</p>
<p>It makes a hell of a lot more sense than the Utah Jazz&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 08:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m sorry - al jefferson superstar? star maybe - one day. once the wolves make the playoffs. superstar? um, lets leave that to the prime big men like timmy, kg, shaq of our generation. 

of course, if he ever wants to be considered a superstar, he needs to start to defend like he cares. he needs to pass better out of double teams. he needs to care about more things other than a double double every night. and i think he will.

as a celtic fan, i&#039;m rooting for him. i guess i&#039;ll always be a minny fan from now on. go AL! and i hope kevin love works out for you.

and if Mayo didn&#039;t work out for minny because he didn&#039;t want to play there - what a douche! minnesota is beautiful and has a great sports scene, with quite a few big time sports franchises.

as for memphis and sports - ha! thats like a grizzle bear living in Tennessee. get it? bad joke i guess- but still, memphis grizzlies? how does that name make any sense??!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m sorry &#8211; al jefferson superstar? star maybe &#8211; one day. once the wolves make the playoffs. superstar? um, lets leave that to the prime big men like timmy, kg, shaq of our generation. </p>
<p>of course, if he ever wants to be considered a superstar, he needs to start to defend like he cares. he needs to pass better out of double teams. he needs to care about more things other than a double double every night. and i think he will.</p>
<p>as a celtic fan, i&#8217;m rooting for him. i guess i&#8217;ll always be a minny fan from now on. go AL! and i hope kevin love works out for you.</p>
<p>and if Mayo didn&#8217;t work out for minny because he didn&#8217;t want to play there &#8211; what a douche! minnesota is beautiful and has a great sports scene, with quite a few big time sports franchises.</p>
<p>as for memphis and sports &#8211; ha! thats like a grizzle bear living in Tennessee. get it? bad joke i guess- but still, memphis grizzlies? how does that name make any sense??!!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 22:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s been quite a few valid points made on both sides of the coin here... but I&#039;m just wondering if any of the McHale apologists can name one draft-day trade he&#039;s made that has panned out for the Timberwolves? Anyone?

Also wondering if anyone has thoughts on last summer&#039;s trade that saw McHale trade a second-round pick to the Spurs for some guy named Beno Udrih, whom was promptly waived and signed by the Sacramento Kings. Said Kings apparently feel Udrih is good enough to warrant a 5-year, $30 million deal... what&#039;s the PG situation for the T&#039;Wolves at present again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s been quite a few valid points made on both sides of the coin here&#8230; but I&#8217;m just wondering if any of the McHale apologists can name one draft-day trade he&#8217;s made that has panned out for the Timberwolves? Anyone?</p>
<p>Also wondering if anyone has thoughts on last summer&#8217;s trade that saw McHale trade a second-round pick to the Spurs for some guy named Beno Udrih, whom was promptly waived and signed by the Sacramento Kings. Said Kings apparently feel Udrih is good enough to warrant a 5-year, $30 million deal&#8230; what&#8217;s the PG situation for the T&#8217;Wolves at present again?</p>
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		<title>By: Dean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 21:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who should have McHale drafted?  Brook Lopez?  Lopez would have been a decent center but I don&#039;t think he&#039;s as good as Love. OJ Mayo was more redundant than Love since the Wolves already have McCants &amp; Foye.  You can never have enough inside scoring and rebounding.  It&#039;s much harder to get a quality big than a quality perimeter player.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who should have McHale drafted?  Brook Lopez?  Lopez would have been a decent center but I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;s as good as Love. OJ Mayo was more redundant than Love since the Wolves already have McCants &amp; Foye.  You can never have enough inside scoring and rebounding.  It&#8217;s much harder to get a quality big than a quality perimeter player.</p>
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		<title>By: KGdaBom</title>
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		<dc:creator>KGdaBom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Khandor he can get the body fat down while getting the muscle up. If he carries too much body fat he won&#039;t be able to get up and down the court or sky for the boards. I believe KL optimum weight will be 265 with 8% body fat. This is envisioning him growing another inch in height.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Khandor he can get the body fat down while getting the muscle up. If he carries too much body fat he won&#8217;t be able to get up and down the court or sky for the boards. I believe KL optimum weight will be 265 with 8% body fat. This is envisioning him growing another inch in height.</p>
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		<title>By: KGdaBom</title>
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		<dc:creator>KGdaBom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing is that Joe Alexander is the athletic freak of the draft. Nobody came close to him in all around athleticism so we can&#039;t hold that against KL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing is that Joe Alexander is the athletic freak of the draft. Nobody came close to him in all around athleticism so we can&#8217;t hold that against KL.</p>
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