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Why Kevin McHale Still Doesn’t Get it and Kevin Love Won’t Fit in Minnesota

June 29, 2008

Kevin McHale: Inexplicable

The Inexplicable Kevin McHale
Photo Credit: Icon SMI

As a Minnesotan I was extremely apprehensive heading into this draft. Anybody who roots for the Timberwolves should be nervous about every draft headed by Kevin McHale. He has a history of botching these things and a stubborn refusal to simply take the best player available. It started back in 1996 when McHale swapped Ray Allen for Stephon Marbury and continued without fail into recent years with draft-night decisions like trading the rights to Brandon Roy for Randy Foye and selecting Rashad McCants over Danny Granger. Let’s not even get into the Joe Smith fiasco that cost them five first-round draft picks (even if two of the picks were ultimately returned).

In between those more publicized gaffes McFail has compiled a first-round resume that includes first-round busts Ndudi Ebi, William Avery, Radoslav Nesterovic and Paul Grant. In his inexplicably long tenure in the Wolves’ front office the former Celtic star has only made two great moves: drafting Kevin Garnett and trading Kevin Garnett.

The primary reason last summer’s trade of Garnett was a success is that Minnesota netted future All Star Al Jefferson. He will be the second superstar power forward in Timberwolves history, but it appears McHale is intent on misusing his talents as well by forcing Big Al to center and refusing to surround him with complementary talent.

There was little secret that Kevin Love was the apple of McHale’s eye heading into the draft, so I was shocked when Minnesota went ahead and passed on the big man out of UCLA. I was surprised that McHale actually did was he was supposed to do and didn’t try to get cute. I was relieved, to be honest. O.J. Mayo was the consensus third-best prospect in this draft and he fit a team need as a wing scorer.

Then just hours later McHale did get cute and traded for Kevin Love, a player who is by all accounts completely redundant with Al Jefferson. For those few hundred people out there who actually watched Wolves games religiously last year it was painfully obvious that Al Jefferson thrived as a power forward and struggled as a center.

This move will force Big Al into the middle, a position where he is both uncomfortable and significantly less effective.

After the jump: Why moving Al Jefferson to center is a crying shame…

Al JeffersonJefferson was perhaps the best offensive power forward in the NBA last season. His 21.1 points, 50% field-goal shooting and 3.8 offensive rebounds a game were elite. He displays a polished set of footwork and post moves that are only rivaled by perhaps Duncan and Garnett. There is no finer power forward in the NBA in terms of low-post footwork and splitting a double team.

Defensively Big Al struggled for most of the season, but it was most noticeable when he was asked to guard longer and stronger centers. He lacks lateral quickness, length, defensive footwork and the instincts to recover. The numbers back up that anecdotal assessment. While playing at power forward Jefferson’s PER was 29.3 while the opponent’s power forward had a PER of just 19.5. That +9.8 PER ratio is stellar. However, when Jefferson is moved to the middle his advantage quickly falls off. As a center his PER went down to 25.3 while the opposing center’s PER rose to 20.4, amounting to a mere +4.8 advantage. At least statistically, Al Jefferson was less than half as effective when asked to play center.

So, naturally, Kevin McHale went out of his way to force Jefferson into the middle.

Al Jefferson Photo Credit: Icon SMI

On the court Kevin Garnett and Al Jefferson are polar opposites. Defensively Garnett is a beast who is all about quickness, instincts, versatility, confidence and intensity. On the other end KG is a finesse player who is a great passer, but tentative, shies away from contact, refuses to consistently play in the paint and is comfortable going for long stretches without scoring.

Big Al is another story. On defense Jefferson looks slow, lacks instincts, struggles to adjust, plays nervous and often looks lost. However, on offense Big Al is an absolute bull who may not pass well, but he thrives around the hoop, loves contact, lives in the painted area and demands the ball on every possession.

Despite these differences on the court, there are two significant similarities off the court: they both have a tremendous blue-collar work ethic and they both have Kevin McHale completely incapable of understanding their needs and providing what they require to succeed.

It’s a crying shame.

Still, there are a few good things about this deal. The first is purging the albatross contract of Marko Jaric. Jaric was never able to fit in with the Wolves and he was owed over $21 million the next three seasons. Now Al Jefferson is their only guaranteed contract after the 2009-10 season. That should position the club to be major players in what is shaping up to be a very rich free-agent class of 2010.

Second, they acquired the services of sharp-shooting Mike Miller. After a promising start to his career, the former Rookie of the Year fell off the map for a few seasons. However, he has re-emerged as an elite offensive player over the last two campaigns and should be a major asset in Minnesota. The Wolves lacked a consistent outside scorer last season, which allowed teams to simply double-team Jefferson on nearly every play. As a guy who shot over 50% from the field and 43% from behind the arc last year, Miller should take a lot of that pressure off. Hopefully the 28-year-old still in his prime when the rest of the roster is mature enough to compete.

Finally, Kevin Love could very well be a good NBA player. The 6-9, 255 lbs. power has forward displayed a mix of finesse and physicality on offense that should play well in the NBA. He’s got great touch for a big man, and Love’s wide body will make him a strong rebounder. But Jefferson is the franchise cornerstone and he didn’t need too much help scoring or cleaning the glass up front. He needed help protecting the basket and manning up with the elite offensive post players of the West. Love doesn’t have the athleticism or defensive skills to provide that help. He’s a tad undersized and will have just as much trouble matching up as Jefferson due to a similar lack of lateral quickness. On paper, these two are completely redundant. They have the same strengths and will not make up for the other’s weaknesses.

I hope they can form a dynamic duo up front for the Wolves, but I’m less than optimistic.

Related: Al Jefferson, Kevin Garnett, Kevin McHale, Minnesota Timberwolves

38 Comments »Posted by Andrew Thell on Jun. 29, 2008 at 11:59 pm in ETB Articles, NBA

38 Responses

About the only people in the media who think this is not an excellent trade for the Wolves are the local guys. They have seen us get burned by bad moves by Kevin McHale so they are paranoid about anything he does. David Aldridge who is generally considered the best NBA journalist in the nation not only liked the move for the Wolves but considered it the best trade in many years. It is easy to make an argument that Kevin Love is as good or better than Mayo. He is a year younger and his game is improving at a quicker rate. Miller is a better player than Mayo at least for a few years. As for forcing Jefferson to play Center that is the position he was going to play this year anyway. At least Love gives him some help up front. In a perfect world Love would be three inches taller so he could be a prototype center but he was the best big man in the draft other than Beasley who will most likely play SF. Mayo plays the same position as McCants, Brewer, Miller and Foye if we ever find a true PG. Mayo would be another slightly undersized SG in a long line of Wolves undersized SGs.

Posted by: KGdaBom on June 30th, 2008 at 9:37 am

Idiot! O. J. Mayo refused to work out in Minne choosing only to make it to NYC. Doesn’t that tell you something about a draftee who refuses to work out with a team holding the #3 pick? Besides, it was Glen Taylor who had the discussion with the Memphis owner before the draft (not solely Kevin McHale) and stipulated that Mike Miller would have to be thrown in. Glen is the same owner who said weeks ago that this draft would yield a talented lottery pick plus an international draftee who would have to incubate for a year or more overseas…sound like Nikola Pekovic much?

Posted by: Captain America on June 30th, 2008 at 10:15 am

Contrast Mayo with K-Love. Love not only worked out in Minne but he worked out against 3 seven (plus) foot draftees rather than using chairs as proxies.

Posted by: Captain America on June 30th, 2008 at 10:17 am

Love and Jefferson are NOT redundant on paper or otherwise. Love has both a mid-range and a parameter game to draw double team defenders away from Big Al. Big Al’s game is on the post. Love complements Big Al with dump down and interior passes and ignites the fast break (read Corey Brewer) with outlet passing.

Posted by: Captain America on June 30th, 2008 at 10:21 am

Great read Andrew! And I agree completely. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Kevin Love will be lucky to have Nick Collison’s career. McHale and Larry Bird suffer from the same malady. They keep looking for players that remind them of themselves. Bird wanted to work with Stojakovic so he dealt Artest for Peja. McHale wants to work with Love so he traded Mayo. I think Mayo’s potential is just as great as Rose and Beasley’s.

Posted by: Brandon Hoffman on June 30th, 2008 at 10:49 am

Mr. KGdaBom-

You make some great points, and I agree with just about all of them to some extent. There are some nice things about this deal. But the fact remains that Al Jefferson is this team’s franchise player, and it’s not a good move to draft a guy who does most of the same things well as your team’s best player and will move him out of position. Could they not have traded Mayo for a pure point or another more complimentary piece?

Mr. America-

You’re out of your gourd.

Mr. Hoffman-

Great observation. It’s so baffling to me that McHale shows a complete lack of understanging when it comes to dealing with his big men after being on of the greatest bigs in NBA history. Baffling and incredibly frustrating.

Posted by: Andrew Thell on June 30th, 2008 at 12:15 pm

I think Big Al was at his best with Kendrick Perkins providing some muscle and doing the dirty work. If Love plays smart basketball: i.e., boxing out, pushing guys out of the post, etc. the pairing should work out. I actually think you guys should give it a chance. Big Al played center alot in Boston and did a fairly good job.

Posted by: perkisabeast on June 30th, 2008 at 4:04 pm

The sample size for the numbers you cite is way too small for you to cite them. He played PF 1/20th of the time.

Posted by: Joe on June 30th, 2008 at 4:27 pm

Every time I hear someone talking about Kevin Love I hear them gushing about how his outlet passing will help the team run, how his jumpshot will help space out the floor, and how teams can no longer doubleteam Al Jefferson. These are all things that he could contribute to on OFFENSE! Last time I checked it was DEFENSE and not offense that won championships. We simply do not have the size or athleticism in our frontcourt to match-up with the teams of the west. Can you picture our duo of 6″9 Love and Jefferson matching up with 7″0 Bynum and Gasol? The thought of it makes me sick to my stomach

Posted by: PA TWOLVES FAN on June 30th, 2008 at 4:38 pm

Mr Thell.
Thank you for noticing my post. In a perfect world we would have been able to get a Center like Tyson Chandler minus the health problems. It isn’t a perfect world. We needed a big up front to help out Big Al more than any guard and the best big is Kevin Love. He won’t provide that huge shot blocking presence but he was the best big by far that was available. he is a super strong wide body that will be able to keep his opponent away from the basket and off the boards. His offensive game could not possibly be a better match for Big Als. We did draft a taller bigger player that will hopefully be joining us in 2010 and then we will have a nice problem of too many quality bigs. I can live with that.

Posted by: KGdaBom on June 30th, 2008 at 5:38 pm

OJ Mayo is the next Larry Hughes. Kevin Love is the next Brad Miller. Don’t get me wrong, neither is a franchise player, but I’d rather have Miller then Hughes.

Posted by: Charlie on June 30th, 2008 at 6:04 pm

Tend to agree more with the Captain. Wolves fans are pretty jaded at this point. This time the wolves did well on a draft day trade.

Love may be slightly redundant, but they also got Jason Collins who can man the middle against large centers that big Al has trouble with. Remember that the league trend is going to small ball, Al and Love can definitely start against at least half of all NBA teams. Very few NBA teams have quality centers.

Also, I’ve heard some scouts who rank OJ mayo below several of the guards that were selected after him. Right now OJ is more hype than substance. We’ll see if he is for real in the NBA.


Posted by: JPK on June 30th, 2008 at 6:50 pm

Just curious how Rasho is a lottery bust. First, he was picked 17th overall, hence, not a lottery pick. Second, he’s a ten year veteran who is still a solid rotation player. How many 17th overall picks can you say that about?

Also, I think Kevin Love will do just fine in the NBA.

Aside from that, I cannot fathom a reason why Kevin McHale is still employed.

Posted by: Nick on June 30th, 2008 at 7:11 pm

I’d have to say that I agree with the above comment, everyone seems to be mentioning how good Mike Miller will be to space the floor and neglecting the fact that his another average ball handler and below average defender on a team full of both.
A line up of Foye, Miller, Brewer, Love and Big Al looks atrocious defensively. I know Brewer can defend and Love has the IQ and willing mentality, but nothing I have seen of the other three make me think they posses the skill and/or desire to become even passable defenders. If someone can come to Randy Foye’s defense regarding this accusation please do. Same goes for Mike Miller since his been stuck in that insane ole system up in Memphis

Posted by: GoGoGasol on June 30th, 2008 at 7:46 pm

Someone should call McHale and tell him that it’s not the 80′s anymore. I have a tough time figuring out how good a player he would be in today’s NBA. The best thing about the deal was Mike Miller, but I think pairing Love with Jefferson is a mistake. Being from Phoenix, we saw Amare go on a tear when Shaq started getting minutes here. Nobody could wear him down on the defensive end anymore. Kevin Love is 6’8″ and not even as athletic as Mark Madsen for god sakes. I think this trade is a huge mistake, I think Mayo has the chance to be a special player and Kevin Love might be servicable at best. McHale is a total failure, I feel bad for you guys.

Posted by: Matt on June 30th, 2008 at 8:01 pm

I don’t think there was a consensus #3 player in this draft. So, I think the fact that the Wolves were able to add Miller AND Love for Mayo is a good deal on any level. On talent, the Wolves win this deal easy. I don’t even see how this is a debate. Even if you think that Mayo is the better prospect (which really is debatable) the fact that you get Love and Miller trumps all of that now and over the life of Miller’s contract. Plus, you can always trade Miller again later…he is a proven commodity.

As for how Love fits with the Wolves, I think Love’s fundamental game that is his strength on offense is going to work to his advantage on defense too. So much of interior defense is based off positioning, angles, and anticipation. Love is such a student of the game, I think he will actually be effective on pushing players out of the post on defense by using size and smarts. I don’t think he’s a shot blocker at the rim, but I do think he can shut off driving angles through his anticipation and by using good positioning. I think he’ll be passable on defense in an Okur sort of way, and most likely better than that. Will he get scored on? Sure, everyone does. But no one has even seen this kid play interior defense in the league and they’re proclaiming him a failure…how does anyone know?

Posted by: CaliHoopsGuy on July 1st, 2008 at 1:22 am

I would like to add a few thoughts. The NBA lists players in shoes and rounds up so Kevin Love’s NBA height to fairly compare it to other NBA players is 6’10″. I so wish they just used real heights for players so every draft you don’t get people looking at the players actual height and thinking they are NBA midgets. Got it everybody. Love is 6’10″. Now Matt declaring Love to be less athletic than Madsen doesn’t even believe that himself. The Wolves needed front court help much much more than they needed backcourt help. In a perfect world that would have been a true PG or a prototype center. There were no players worthy of the 3rd pick at PG or C. So we did the next best thing we could we drafted a talented shooter in OJ Mayo. Notice I said shooter. He isn’t a slasher that will get to the rim and draw fouls. He is a very nice shooter that is quite good at getting his shot off. When the trade came into play we were offerred a guy who is one of the few best shooters in the entire NBA Mike Miller plus an ultra skilled high post player and supreme rebounder in Kevin Love. So we didn’t get a franchise PG or C. We got an absolute elite shooter and the best skilled big not including Beasley in the draft. We had to do it. Plus Miller and Love both seem sincerely happy to be here. Now you can’t let that dictate your trades but it sure doesn’t hurt. How could we possibly have lost in this deal. We get the younger player by a year with more upside. We get an established borderline all star in Miller and cap room in 2010 all for trading away a nice jump shooter who in a few years might be better than Miller.

Posted by: KGdaBom on July 1st, 2008 at 1:28 am

The key to the deal is that Love and Miller want to be in Minnesota, Mayo clearly did not as KGdaBow pointed out. Mayo might turn out better but there is a fair chance he would bolt as soon as he hit free agency. Miller has come from the Grizzlies, you can imagine how ecstatic he is to be free and playing on a team with some hope. I like this deal because Love is a much better fit than Mayo and Miller is the icing on the cake

Posted by: Anonymous on July 1st, 2008 at 9:17 am

It’s funny — I would bet the mortgage that the only people who are bashing this trade, and Kevin Love in particular, have never seen him play. I live in Eugene, Oregon, have followed PAC-10 hoops, closely, for over 15 years. I saw almost every game BOTH OJ and Kevin played last year. Let me tell you this: Kevin Love is a LOT better than OJ Mayo, by any measure. There is a reason that Love, a true freshman at only 19, was almost a unanimous choice by the PAC-10 coaches as the PAC-10 freshman AND Player of the Year. Read that again.

Honestly? It’s understandable why people bash KL, saying everything from he’s the next Bryant Reeves to the next Nick Collison. The truth is, those people are nothing more than racists who post those comments based only on the color of KL’s skin. Shame.

And for what it is worth, I think there is a better than 50% chance that when it’s all said and done, KL will be the “5″ and AJ will slot against the 4. KL plays much bigger than he is.

Trust me, Minny. You stole Kevin Love from Memphis. Of course, only time will tell. But by November of this year, you will be thanking your lucky stars.

Posted by: Bob on July 1st, 2008 at 11:39 am

Hey Bob-

Thanks for the comment. It wasn’t my intention to bash Kevin Love. (To bash McFail? Yes.)

We only write about the NBA here on ETB because neither of us feels qualified to present ourselves as experts on college hoops. We leave that to people with more knowledge of the NCAA.

The purpose of the post was more to state that logistically it was a very questionable move. Of course, I’m more than willing to admit it COULD work. Hell, I really hope it does. If Kevin Love can really play center in the NBA then it could. If he can’t, it won’t.

I just don’t think Al Jefferson and the Love I’ve read about in countless scouting reports make sense together.

Again, I’m from Minnesota. I hope I’m wrong.

Posted by: Andrew Thell on July 1st, 2008 at 12:04 pm

If Kevin Love can continue to bulk up … rather than slim down … he can be an effective Center in the NBA for years to come, as a sidekick with Al Jefferson, he just won’t be a conventional, Low-Post-only Big Man.

On DEFENSE – Love guards the Opp Big who posts-up more frequently, for Defensive Rebounding purposes & to Initiate the Break; Jeff guards the Opp Big who post-up less frequently.

On OFFENSE – Love plays the perimeter/High-Post more frequently, utilizing his considerable Passing & Shooting skills; Jeff plays On-the-Block.

Wes Unseld (C, Kevin Love-type) & Elvin Hayes (PF, Al Jefferson-type) were two Hall Of Famers who eventually worked well together in Washington when the Bullets won their only NBA Title.

Posted by: khandor on July 1st, 2008 at 12:19 pm


Point taken. On a separate note, below is a link to a very interesting (and independant) website that tracks “combine”-like numbers for NBA draftees, dating back over a decade.

One thing some of you might find shocking who haven’t watched Kevin Love play is that his speed and agility numbers (sprints, lane agility test) are up there with some of the fastest GUARDS…and certainly tops among “bigs”. As good or better/fast or faster than Michael Beasely (who, incidentally, is not really a big) and none other than that guy who was drafted #3 overall…

Enjoy your reading.


Posted by: Bob on July 1st, 2008 at 12:20 pm

There are a lot of interesting numbers there. One thing I did notice is that Joe Alexander seemed to have some better numbers, especially in terms of leaping and bench press.

One thing disconcerting about Love’s numbers is 12.9% – his body fat. That’s the highest of any player who was drafted. I hope that won’t be a problem.

Posted by: Andrew Thell on July 1st, 2008 at 1:49 pm

Mr. Thell Kevin Love’s Body fat is a great indication of opportunity. He probably played the last season at 17% body fat and was still the PacTen PoTY. As a current full time college student I know that I don’t do nearly as much conditioning while class is in session as when it is out. Now that KL who was an honor student no longer has to focus on studies and his profession is as a professional athlete that extra time he can put into conditioning should be no problem getting that body fat below 10% and then we can expect even better things out of him.

Posted by: KGdaBom on July 1st, 2008 at 3:24 pm

What was Wes Unseld’s ‘Percent Body Fat’? :-)

Posted by: khandor on July 1st, 2008 at 3:31 pm

‘Down-sizing’ is the WRONG way for Kevin Love to go and whomever might be giving him this sort of ‘Career Advice’ knows not of what s/he speaks, in terms of creating a Hall Of Fame future for this first-class young man.

The best role for him to play moving forward is as a Giant Big who can move well, relative to his considerable size … not as a svelt but undersized Big who lacks the physical size it takes to play in a dominant way against men who out-height him by several of inches.

A Fundamental Tenet is that … Basketball is a Horizontal Game not a Vertical one … and substantial ‘Girth’ is a vital horizontal measurement, in this regard. :-)

Posted by: khandor on July 1st, 2008 at 3:40 pm

One more thing is that Joe Alexander is the athletic freak of the draft. Nobody came close to him in all around athleticism so we can’t hold that against KL.

Posted by: KGdaBom on July 1st, 2008 at 3:56 pm

Khandor he can get the body fat down while getting the muscle up. If he carries too much body fat he won’t be able to get up and down the court or sky for the boards. I believe KL optimum weight will be 265 with 8% body fat. This is envisioning him growing another inch in height.

Posted by: KGdaBom on July 1st, 2008 at 3:59 pm

Who should have McHale drafted? Brook Lopez? Lopez would have been a decent center but I don’t think he’s as good as Love. OJ Mayo was more redundant than Love since the Wolves already have McCants & Foye. You can never have enough inside scoring and rebounding. It’s much harder to get a quality big than a quality perimeter player.

Posted by: Dean on July 1st, 2008 at 5:16 pm

There’s been quite a few valid points made on both sides of the coin here… but I’m just wondering if any of the McHale apologists can name one draft-day trade he’s made that has panned out for the Timberwolves? Anyone?

Also wondering if anyone has thoughts on last summer’s trade that saw McHale trade a second-round pick to the Spurs for some guy named Beno Udrih, whom was promptly waived and signed by the Sacramento Kings. Said Kings apparently feel Udrih is good enough to warrant a 5-year, $30 million deal… what’s the PG situation for the T’Wolves at present again?

Posted by: Brian Spencer on July 1st, 2008 at 6:30 pm

i’m sorry – al jefferson superstar? star maybe – one day. once the wolves make the playoffs. superstar? um, lets leave that to the prime big men like timmy, kg, shaq of our generation.

of course, if he ever wants to be considered a superstar, he needs to start to defend like he cares. he needs to pass better out of double teams. he needs to care about more things other than a double double every night. and i think he will.

as a celtic fan, i’m rooting for him. i guess i’ll always be a minny fan from now on. go AL! and i hope kevin love works out for you.

and if Mayo didn’t work out for minny because he didn’t want to play there – what a douche! minnesota is beautiful and has a great sports scene, with quite a few big time sports franchises.

as for memphis and sports – ha! thats like a grizzle bear living in Tennessee. get it? bad joke i guess- but still, memphis grizzlies? how does that name make any sense??!!

Posted by: mark on July 2nd, 2008 at 4:41 am

Well, they weren’t always in Memphis.

It makes a hell of a lot more sense than the Utah Jazz…

Posted by: Andrew Thell on July 2nd, 2008 at 10:12 am

um no, because the city of salt lake actually has some culture, believe it or not – they have clubs that play jazz music. i swear! they allow jazz music.

finding a grizzle bear anywhere near the state of Tennessee? lol – like david lettermen says – i’ll pay you 1 million if you find a grizzle bear in memphis.

he totally burned that city. its a pathetic franchise.

Posted by: mark on July 3rd, 2008 at 12:36 am

My family actually lived in Salt Lake City for a while — it made Minneapolis look like Rio de Janeiro.

What’s the deal with those liquor laws?

Posted by: Andrew Thell on July 3rd, 2008 at 9:04 am

I’m a little late to the party on this post, but I’d like to point out a few problems with the 4/5 comparison you made with Al Jefferson:

1- Jefferson’s time at the 3 at 82 Games is listed as 3% of his team’s minutes while his time at the 5 is at 69%. That’s too much of a differential to be making straight comparisons about his relative worth at each spot.

2- Taking #1 a bit further, the concept of comparing Jefferson’s PER differential at the 4 and 5 produces a big number, but you also need to take into account the differential between offense and defense at each spot. The main reason why there appears to be such a big difference between PERs is because Jefferson’s PER at the 5 is +4 over the 4. When it comes to the folks he’s guarding, there’s only a difference of -0.9 with the aforementioned imbalanced sample size. Jefferson’s opponents operate at a borderline all star level whether he guards them at the 4 or 5.

3- The 5 is the only position on the Wolves to have a positive differential in PER, points, and rebounds.

The bottom line here is that for nearly 70% of his team’s minutes Jefferson operated at All Star levels at the 5 on the offensive end of the floor for a team with zero perimeter defense, zero frontcourt help, and, for the better part of the season, a point guard who couldn’t shoot.

Should Jefferson put up similar numbers next year at the 5, with 3 perimeter players who can shoot 40% from 3, as well as a 4 who will hopefully provide the team a net gain at the position as well as being able to space the lane, this is the best deal McHale could have made with the resources he had. OJ Mayo just wasn’t going to be able to bring enough to the table to make him a big plus over guys like Foye and now Mike Miller. Perimeter defense would have been about his only plus over Foye. Love allows Gomes to be the glue guy off the bench at the 3/4 instead of the team’s back up big.

Posted by: stopnpop on July 3rd, 2008 at 2:39 pm

they lived their for a while huh? well salt lake is really beautiful. ppl are too busy dissing it for their close minded religious reasons to realize its a great place to grow up. its weird at night how things close really early, but other than that, great town. it even has a great gay scene to it – so when ppl say its not open, they are wrong. just not very flashy.

Posted by: mark on July 5th, 2008 at 6:14 pm

http://nbainsidestuff.wordpress.com/2008/07/05/ranking-the-white-guys-in-the-nba/ Kevin Love is #12 on my list.

Posted by: Travis on July 15th, 2008 at 4:32 am

“McHale and Larry Bird suffer from the same malady. They keep looking for players that remind them of themselves. Bird wanted to work with Stojakovic so he dealt Artest for Peja.”

Brandon Hoffman, it is obvious from this statement that you are making a generalized stereotypical statement, and don’t follow one second of Pacers basketball. Ron Artest was a major problem for the franchise, and the fact that he was able to secure Peja had more to do with his complementary game for Jermaine Oneal. I doubt he thought Peja was the next Larry Bird, and that had nothing to do with that trade.

Posted by: Tony on August 5th, 2008 at 1:42 pm

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