Comments on: The Excuses (and the Pressure) are Quickly Mounting for the Phoenix Suns http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/03/03/the-excuses-and-the-pressure-are-quickly-mounting-for-the-phoenix-suns/ The season's over. Sat, 13 Mar 2010 21:40:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: sdog http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/03/03/the-excuses-and-the-pressure-are-quickly-mounting-for-the-phoenix-suns/comment-page-1/#comment-10632 sdog Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:34:53 +0000 http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/03/03/the-excuses-and-the-pressure-are-quickly-mounting-for-the-phoenix-suns/#comment-10632 test test

]]> By: Marcus http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/03/03/the-excuses-and-the-pressure-are-quickly-mounting-for-the-phoenix-suns/comment-page-1/#comment-10576 Marcus Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:40:04 +0000 http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/03/03/the-excuses-and-the-pressure-are-quickly-mounting-for-the-phoenix-suns/#comment-10576 I think it's just me. He's been bashing me since I made my first post. Like Chris said, you're criteria isn't exactly correct. Except Chris didn't mention A not being entirely true. If A was completely true, then that means that guys like Stockton, Wilkins and Ewing wouldn't be considered as leaders because they never won a championship. But they were still leaders in their time. And like Chris pointed out, B isn't completely true. Here are some examples of what I think he was talking about. Offense:Magic Johnson, John Stockton-These guys weren't known for being leaders defensively. But one thing they did extremely well is run an offense. Nash is kinda like a watered down version of these 2. As for C, I think you're completely correct about that one. I think it’s just me. He’s been bashing me since I made my first post.

Like Chris said, you’re criteria isn’t exactly correct. Except Chris didn’t mention A not being entirely true. If A was completely true, then that means that guys like Stockton, Wilkins and Ewing wouldn’t be considered as leaders because they never won a championship. But they were still leaders in their time.

And like Chris pointed out, B isn’t completely true. Here are some examples of what I think he was talking about.

Offense:Magic Johnson, John Stockton-These guys weren’t known for being leaders defensively. But one thing they did extremely well is run an offense. Nash is kinda like a watered down version of these 2.

As for C, I think you’re completely correct about that one.

]]> By: Joejacobi http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/03/03/the-excuses-and-the-pressure-are-quickly-mounting-for-the-phoenix-suns/comment-page-1/#comment-10534 Joejacobi Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:54:05 +0000 http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/03/03/the-excuses-and-the-pressure-are-quickly-mounting-for-the-phoenix-suns/#comment-10534 I don't think he said exactly he doesn't care about getting a ring - I believe the question was "does he need a ring for athletic validation?" "if it dies or doesn't happen, I don't care but I'm going for it, I've worked my butt off..." - up for your own interpretation - media/society puts so much emphasis on winning/succeeding that it almost seems thats what its all about. I'm sure he goes to bed every night like most hardcore pro athletes and thinks about winning it all. But should he, Karl, John S, Chuck and many others let that validate their careers? I think they all had great careers, HOF careers...should be proud. I don’t think he said exactly he doesn’t care about getting a ring – I believe the question was “does he need a ring for athletic validation?”
“if it dies or doesn’t happen, I don’t care but I’m going for it, I’ve worked my butt off…” – up for your own interpretation – media/society puts so much emphasis on winning/succeeding that it almost seems thats what its all about. I’m sure he goes to bed every night like most hardcore pro athletes and thinks about winning it all. But should he, Karl, John S, Chuck and many others let that validate their careers? I think they all had great careers, HOF careers…should be proud.

]]> By: Joejacobi http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/03/03/the-excuses-and-the-pressure-are-quickly-mounting-for-the-phoenix-suns/comment-page-1/#comment-10533 Joejacobi Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:27:34 +0000 http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/03/03/the-excuses-and-the-pressure-are-quickly-mounting-for-the-phoenix-suns/#comment-10533 "Once you apply the leadership criteria I brought up above: A, B, C how do YOU rate Nash’s leadership skills?" sdog, but that is YOUR idea of what leadership is on the basketball court - it may not be even close to mine or anyone else's? I'm not saying it's wrong or not valid but everyone is going to see it differently based on life experiences. Or are you just asking us/marcus to use your criteria? “Once you apply the leadership criteria I brought up above: A, B, C how do YOU rate Nash’s leadership skills?”
sdog, but that is YOUR idea of what leadership is on the basketball court – it may not be even close to mine or anyone else’s? I’m not saying it’s wrong or not valid but everyone is going to see it differently based on life experiences. Or are you just asking us/marcus to use your criteria?

]]> By: Chris http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/03/03/the-excuses-and-the-pressure-are-quickly-mounting-for-the-phoenix-suns/comment-page-1/#comment-10532 Chris Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:17:41 +0000 http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/03/03/the-excuses-and-the-pressure-are-quickly-mounting-for-the-phoenix-suns/#comment-10532 Marcus, why did you post the same thing TWICE? They did play well against the Spurs yesterday. But I don't think they can win a 7 game series against them or any of the Western playoff teams for that matter(Except Utah and Houston). And that's considering they make the playoffs. Sdog, I am curious. I didn't see any excuses made by Marcus. I agree with both of you guys to a degree(Sdogs criteria,though number 2 isn't exactly true/Marcus saying they gave up their true MVP). The best leaders are ones who lead both offensively and defensively. There are still some that are only leaders on one side though. Marcus, why did you post the same thing TWICE?

They did play well against the Spurs yesterday. But I don’t think they can win a 7 game series against them or any of the Western playoff teams for that matter(Except Utah and Houston). And that’s considering they make the playoffs.

Sdog, I am curious. I didn’t see any excuses made by Marcus. I agree with both of you guys to a degree(Sdogs criteria,though number 2 isn’t exactly true/Marcus saying they gave up their true MVP). The best leaders are ones who lead both offensively and defensively. There are still some that are only leaders on one side though.

]]> By: Marcus http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/03/03/the-excuses-and-the-pressure-are-quickly-mounting-for-the-phoenix-suns/comment-page-1/#comment-10531 Marcus Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:05:40 +0000 http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/03/03/the-excuses-and-the-pressure-are-quickly-mounting-for-the-phoenix-suns/#comment-10531 He is still somewhat of a leader, just not like I thought. In truth, you're criteria didn't change my opinion. All PGs have to have some leadership qualities in them. But what he said on ESPN (about not caring about getting a ring) makes me doubt his leadership. True, not many times. But there have been a few occasions where it happenend, though no recent ones I can remember. He is still somewhat of a leader, just not like I thought. In truth, you’re criteria didn’t change my opinion. All PGs have to have some leadership qualities in them. But what he said on ESPN (about not caring about getting a ring) makes me doubt his leadership.

True, not many times. But there have been a few occasions where it happenend, though no recent ones I can remember.

]]> By: Marcus http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/03/03/the-excuses-and-the-pressure-are-quickly-mounting-for-the-phoenix-suns/comment-page-1/#comment-10529 Marcus Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:54:55 +0000 http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/03/03/the-excuses-and-the-pressure-are-quickly-mounting-for-the-phoenix-suns/#comment-10529 I still think of him as somewhat of a leader. All PGs have to have some leadership qualities. What you said didn't change my mind as much as ESPN's Sunday Conversation(Where Nash said he doesn't care if he gets a ring). True, I haven't seen that many. But there have been some occasions where players got hurt taking a charge. I still think of him as somewhat of a leader. All PGs have to have some leadership qualities. What you said didn’t change my mind as much as ESPN’s Sunday Conversation(Where Nash said he doesn’t care if he gets a ring).

True, I haven’t seen that many. But there have been some occasions where players got hurt taking a charge.

]]> By: sdog http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/03/03/the-excuses-and-the-pressure-are-quickly-mounting-for-the-phoenix-suns/comment-page-1/#comment-10511 sdog Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:37:56 +0000 http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/03/03/the-excuses-and-the-pressure-are-quickly-mounting-for-the-phoenix-suns/#comment-10511 Marcus, why is it so hard to give definitive answers to simple questions? How many times have you seen or heard of an NBA player getting injured and miss games or even plays as a result of taking a charge. Once you apply the leadership criteria I brought up above: A, B, C how do YOU rate Nash's leadership skills? Marcus, why is it so hard to give definitive answers to simple questions? How many times have you seen or heard of an NBA player getting injured and miss games or even plays as a result of taking a charge. Once you apply the leadership criteria I brought up above: A, B, C how do YOU rate Nash’s leadership skills?

]]> By: Joejacobi http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/03/03/the-excuses-and-the-pressure-are-quickly-mounting-for-the-phoenix-suns/comment-page-1/#comment-10507 Joejacobi Mon, 10 Mar 2008 01:16:18 +0000 http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/03/03/the-excuses-and-the-pressure-are-quickly-mounting-for-the-phoenix-suns/#comment-10507 Well, they (the Suns as a whole) certainly stepped it up a little today (win over the Spurs at home). They seemed to jell at points - Shaq played well, although I'm still not convinced he's a good fit yet? Hill played well as did Amare...Nash controlled the game, took over offensively near the end...impressive. He did this with the 'greatest' defensive one on one defender in league on him...no excuses. Well, they (the Suns as a whole) certainly stepped it up a little today (win over the Spurs at home). They seemed to jell at points – Shaq played well, although I’m still not convinced he’s a good fit yet? Hill played well as did Amare…Nash controlled the game, took over offensively near the end…impressive. He did this with the ‘greatest’ defensive one on one defender in league on him…no excuses.

]]> By: Marcus http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/03/03/the-excuses-and-the-pressure-are-quickly-mounting-for-the-phoenix-suns/comment-page-1/#comment-10503 Marcus Sun, 09 Mar 2008 23:38:13 +0000 http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/03/03/the-excuses-and-the-pressure-are-quickly-mounting-for-the-phoenix-suns/#comment-10503 Oh, I don't know. Maybe because I'm surrounded by Nashanatics almost everyday. Plus, I played in high school, and I have seen people get hurt by taking charges. True, most of them were minor injuries in which the players came back 5 minutes later. But I have seen a few that have caused players to miss a few games. Oh, I don’t know. Maybe because I’m surrounded by Nashanatics almost everyday. Plus, I played in high school, and I have seen people get hurt by taking charges. True, most of them were minor injuries in which the players came back 5 minutes later. But I have seen a few that have caused players to miss a few games.

]]> By: sdog http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/03/03/the-excuses-and-the-pressure-are-quickly-mounting-for-the-phoenix-suns/comment-page-1/#comment-10498 sdog Sun, 09 Mar 2008 14:41:50 +0000 http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/03/03/the-excuses-and-the-pressure-are-quickly-mounting-for-the-phoenix-suns/#comment-10498 Marcus, how do YOU feel about Nash's leadership after reading what I wrote on March 7th, 2008 at 12:19 pm? I'm not surprised you never heard anyone question his leadership, everyone believed the earth was flat back in the day. However, when critical thinking is applied to evaluate what is really happening like you did with Marion myths are dispelled. Correct, charges are overrated especially when considering how often they take place by any one individual. Additionally, players are taught how to properly take charges so they are not as risky a some my think...how many times have you heard of a player been injured by taking a charge? Marcus, how do YOU feel about Nash’s leadership after reading what I wrote on March 7th, 2008 at 12:19 pm? I’m not surprised you never heard anyone question his leadership, everyone believed the earth was flat back in the day. However, when critical thinking is applied to evaluate what is really happening like you did with Marion myths are dispelled.

Correct, charges are overrated especially when considering how often they take place by any one individual. Additionally, players are taught how to properly take charges so they are not as risky a some my think…how many times have you heard of a player been injured by taking a charge?

]]> By: Harold http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/03/03/the-excuses-and-the-pressure-are-quickly-mounting-for-the-phoenix-suns/comment-page-1/#comment-10451 Harold Sat, 08 Mar 2008 00:03:19 +0000 http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/03/03/the-excuses-and-the-pressure-are-quickly-mounting-for-the-phoenix-suns/#comment-10451 If the suns do actually make the playoffs look for the big Aristotle In his huge oversized suit sitting on the bench. Bad move Steve. Good thing your young If the suns do actually make the playoffs look for the big Aristotle In his huge oversized suit sitting on the bench. Bad move Steve. Good thing your young

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