Comments on: Is Two-Time MVP Steve Nash Overrated? http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/02/25/is-three-time-mvp-steve-nash-overrated/ The season's over. Thu, 02 Feb 2012 01:07:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: 1800LAZERFACE http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/02/25/is-three-time-mvp-steve-nash-overrated/comment-page-6/#comment-205792 1800LAZERFACE Wed, 28 Apr 2010 20:35:05 +0000 http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/02/25/is-three-time-mvp-steve-nash-overrated/#comment-205792 I've been a Phoenix Suns fans for over 20 years and I've seen this team's fair share of players come and go from superstars to no-name pine riders. However, when KJ retired and J.Kidd was a bust, they looked for new blood in the PG department. Steve Nash (who was originally drafted and played with the Suns before he blossomed in Dallas) became the perfect fit. However, to compare him to the greatest PG of all time, John Stockton is completely insane and always will be unless Nash can get Phoenix to Finals. KJ did that. In Stockton's heyday he was better than Nash in nearly all facets of the game except 3-pointers. You can compare the numbers and say that Nash outscores him, he's a better ballhandler, but truth be told I've watched NBA since the 80's to now and Stockton was hands down, flat-out, straight-up, don't get it twisted, the BEST point guard of all time. Not just career-wise, but all-the-damn-time-wise. in the 89-90 season all of Stockton's stats are similar and better in some categories than Nash's MVP season. I’ve been a Phoenix Suns fans for over 20 years and I’ve seen this team’s fair share of players come and go from superstars to no-name pine riders. However, when KJ retired and J.Kidd was a bust, they looked for new blood in the PG department. Steve Nash (who was originally drafted and played with the Suns before he blossomed in Dallas) became the perfect fit. However, to compare him to the greatest PG of all time, John Stockton is completely insane and always will be unless Nash can get Phoenix to Finals. KJ did that. In Stockton’s heyday he was better than Nash in nearly all facets of the game except 3-pointers. You can compare the numbers and say that Nash outscores him, he’s a better ballhandler, but truth be told I’ve watched NBA since the 80′s to now and Stockton was hands down, flat-out, straight-up, don’t get it twisted, the BEST point guard of all time. Not just career-wise, but all-the-damn-time-wise. in the 89-90 season all of Stockton’s stats are similar and better in some categories than Nash’s MVP season.

]]> By: Shannon http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/02/25/is-three-time-mvp-steve-nash-overrated/comment-page-6/#comment-128220 Shannon Mon, 15 Jun 2009 20:23:07 +0000 http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/02/25/is-three-time-mvp-steve-nash-overrated/#comment-128220 I live in Phoenix and I am a very large Suns fan. That being said, Nash is OVER RATED. It is onre thing to see his numbers on espn and make your decision, but I get to watch Nash every game here in Phoenix. I will tell you first hand that we will never win a title with Nash at point. Even when we had Marbury, our team did not win as many games but we were solid overall because Marbury played defense. And if we had kept Kidd, we might already have a title. I live in Phoenix and I am a very large Suns fan. That being said, Nash is OVER RATED. It is onre thing to see his numbers on espn and make your decision, but I get to watch Nash every game here in Phoenix. I will tell you first hand that we will never win a title with Nash at point. Even when we had Marbury, our team did not win as many games but we were solid overall because Marbury played defense. And if we had kept Kidd, we might already have a title.

]]> By: andrew http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/02/25/is-three-time-mvp-steve-nash-overrated/comment-page-6/#comment-106205 andrew Fri, 24 Apr 2009 01:25:43 +0000 http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/02/25/is-three-time-mvp-steve-nash-overrated/#comment-106205 This article is just plain unfounded. It's so misinformed it's not even funny. First of all, even though Nash's teams have given up 100+ PPG, they've also led the league in scoring 7 STRAIGHT SEASONS. They've also led the league in FG % most of those seasons, if not all. Also like many others have said Nash doesn't guard opposing All Star PG's. Finally, Nash didn't get his MVPs cause of his stats, he got his first for bringing a 40-win turnaround to his team and his second for leading his team to a 54-win record WITHOUT their 3 big men. He also basically established Stoudemire, Marion and Joe Johnson's careers. Last but not least, keep in mind that the MVP is not awarded for great postseason play, that's why it's called the REGULAR SEASON MVP. Therefore it doesn't matter that Nash has gotten eliminated in the playoffs (even though they should have been the rightful 2007 champs, what with Tim Donaghee making a totally BS play). This article is just plain unfounded. It’s so misinformed it’s not even funny. First of all, even though Nash’s teams have given up 100+ PPG, they’ve also led the league in scoring 7 STRAIGHT SEASONS. They’ve also led the league in FG % most of those seasons, if not all. Also like many others have said Nash doesn’t guard opposing All Star PG’s. Finally, Nash didn’t get his MVPs cause of his stats, he got his first for bringing a 40-win turnaround to his team and his second for leading his team to a 54-win record WITHOUT their 3 big men. He also basically established Stoudemire, Marion and Joe Johnson’s careers. Last but not least, keep in mind that the MVP is not awarded for great postseason play, that’s why it’s called the REGULAR SEASON MVP. Therefore it doesn’t matter that Nash has gotten eliminated in the playoffs (even though they should have been the rightful 2007 champs, what with Tim Donaghee making a totally BS play).

]]> By: Brad http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/02/25/is-three-time-mvp-steve-nash-overrated/comment-page-6/#comment-48252 Brad Fri, 02 Jan 2009 22:25:50 +0000 http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/02/25/is-three-time-mvp-steve-nash-overrated/#comment-48252 Actually Harold Reemus Steve Nash Is Canadian And all you haters yall know nash is nice admit it you say they were holding teams 2 97 pts per game is that the reason they went 33-49 record. But when nash came 2 da picture they were the best in the west so stop. Actually Harold Reemus Steve Nash Is Canadian And all you haters yall know nash is nice admit it you say they were holding teams 2 97 pts per game is that the reason they went 33-49 record. But when nash came 2 da picture they were the best in the west so stop.

]]> By: marc http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/02/25/is-three-time-mvp-steve-nash-overrated/comment-page-6/#comment-37075 marc Thu, 11 Dec 2008 04:55:34 +0000 http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/02/25/is-three-time-mvp-steve-nash-overrated/#comment-37075 Steve nash is not the first overrated NBA MVP. A few years before him was AI, who was a selfish, high-scoring ballhog with a terrible shot selection and a very low FG% (I would take Nash over Iverson anyday). Shaq should have won the MVP that year, not Iverson. (Would you believe the big diesel only won a single MVP?) The Mailman, although a great power forward, was overrated as an MVP. He won his 1st because everybody was tired of giving the MVP trophy to his Airness every year, so they decided to give it to Malone that year. Besides Stockton (who was a better all-around point guard than Nash) always made him look better than he actually was. Dirk is a perfect example of an overrated MVP. Duncan is an example of a really deserving MVP by winning both regular season and playoffs MVP. Same goes with Shaq. There are 3 major reasons why Steve Nash will always be overrated: 1. his inability to guard anybody. 2. winning consecutive MVP's and 3. not being successful in the playoffs (despite having so many All-Star teammates throughout his career). Is Steve valuable? Definitely. But as great as Steve Nash is, he has not yet been proven as a winner. And for that reason alone, he is overrated. Steve nash is not the first overrated NBA MVP. A few years before him was AI, who was a selfish, high-scoring ballhog with a terrible shot selection and a very low FG% (I would take Nash over Iverson anyday). Shaq should have won the MVP that year, not Iverson. (Would you believe the big diesel only won a single MVP?)

The Mailman, although a great power forward, was overrated as an MVP. He won his 1st because everybody was tired of giving the MVP trophy to his Airness every year, so they decided to give it to Malone that year. Besides Stockton (who was a better all-around point guard than Nash) always made him look better than he actually was.

Dirk is a perfect example of an overrated MVP. Duncan is an example of a really deserving MVP by winning both regular season and playoffs MVP. Same goes with Shaq. There are 3 major reasons why Steve Nash will always be overrated: 1. his inability to guard anybody. 2. winning consecutive MVP’s and 3. not being successful in the playoffs (despite having so many All-Star teammates throughout his career). Is Steve valuable? Definitely. But as great as Steve Nash is, he has not yet been proven as a winner. And for that reason alone, he is overrated.

]]> By: Vince http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/02/25/is-three-time-mvp-steve-nash-overrated/comment-page-6/#comment-12529 Vince Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:06:31 +0000 http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/02/25/is-three-time-mvp-steve-nash-overrated/#comment-12529 Steve Nash is totally overrated, I agree and I wrote a post here about it: http://www.everythingisoverrated.com/?p=20 Steve Nash is totally overrated, I agree and I wrote a post here about it:

http://www.everythingisoverrated.com/?p=20

]]> By: yongk http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/02/25/is-three-time-mvp-steve-nash-overrated/comment-page-6/#comment-11680 yongk Mon, 07 Apr 2008 03:16:22 +0000 http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/02/25/is-three-time-mvp-steve-nash-overrated/#comment-11680 nash is exactly a modern day bob cousy (who couldn't defend too), and cousy was a MVP. the reason is guard defence isn't that vital to the defence of a team, and thus the value of a great PG who can lead, pass n score outweights a guard like kidd who can defend but cannot score. nash is exactly a modern day bob cousy (who couldn’t defend too), and cousy was a MVP. the reason is guard defence isn’t that vital to the defence of a team, and thus the value of a great PG who can lead, pass n score outweights a guard like kidd who can defend but cannot score.

]]> By: GhiaElcid http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/02/25/is-three-time-mvp-steve-nash-overrated/comment-page-6/#comment-10735 GhiaElcid Sat, 15 Mar 2008 00:27:15 +0000 http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/02/25/is-three-time-mvp-steve-nash-overrated/#comment-10735 **Posted by: Benjamin on February 27th, 2008 at 4:41 am ** **... or that people don’t respect Bowen’s defense and just call him a hack. Some very strange ideas. ** hey a-hole, watch this -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8WXVJQ06Sk f*ckin dirty players.. **Posted by: Benjamin on February 27th, 2008 at 4:41 am **

**… or that people don’t respect Bowen’s defense and just call him a hack. Some very strange ideas. **

hey a-hole, watch this -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8WXVJQ06Sk

f*ckin dirty players..

]]> By: Sixnine http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/02/25/is-three-time-mvp-steve-nash-overrated/comment-page-6/#comment-10420 Sixnine Fri, 07 Mar 2008 02:32:04 +0000 http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/02/25/is-three-time-mvp-steve-nash-overrated/#comment-10420 Has anyone noticed the glaring discrepancy in the evaluation of the current candidates for MVP's versus the times when Nash and Dirk won theirs? All of a sudden when there is a discussion of differences between the players, all the commentators are referring to the defensive differences between Kobe and Lebron, the "all around game" offensively and defensively of CP3 and Kevin Garnett? Why is it that defense is now apart of the equation. Has anyone noticed the glaring discrepancy in the evaluation of the current candidates for MVP’s versus the times when Nash and Dirk won theirs? All of a sudden when there is a discussion of differences between the players, all the commentators are referring to the defensive differences between Kobe and Lebron, the “all around game” offensively and defensively of CP3 and Kevin Garnett? Why is it that defense is now apart of the equation.

]]> By: Marcus http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/02/25/is-three-time-mvp-steve-nash-overrated/comment-page-6/#comment-10390 Marcus Thu, 06 Mar 2008 13:44:15 +0000 http://www.emptythebench.com/2008/02/25/is-three-time-mvp-steve-nash-overrated/#comment-10390 Joe, I just said that about Magic if because someone might bash him because he was known for assists. Joe, I just said that about Magic if because someone might bash him because he was known for assists.

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