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The NBA All Second-Round Pick Team

March 20, 2007

Rashard Lewis

We’ve always been amazed at how few NBA draft picks pan out, regardless if they’re taken in the first or second round. The NBA Draft is more reliable than the NFL or NBA, but just barely. Still, every year valuable contributors can be found after the first round of the draft if teams do their homework. Watching the league this year, it struck us that there may be more high-profile second rounders in the NBA this season than there has ever been.

Highlighted by the All-Star contributions of Gilbert Arenas and Michael Redd, afterthought picks are having a dramatic effect on the playoff race and will feature prominently into the 2007 postseason. ETB takes a look at the cream of the crop so far, names two honorable mentions for each position, and also hazards a guess as to who could make this list a few years down the road. Only second-rounders from the past 10 years were considered, and no undrafted players have been included (i.e. Ben Wallace). This is a joint ETB article.

STARTERS

Point Guard

Gilbert Arenas, 2001, Golden State Warriors (Arizona)

We remember when Gilbert was a fantasy darling in the second half of the 2002-03 season for the Golden State Warriors. The knock on Gil coming out of Arizona was that he was a ‘tweener—that he would never have the requisite passing skills to play the point or the spot-up jumper to be a two. That may still be true, on some level, but Arenas’ hybrid game is damn hard to stop, and he’s turned himself into a perennial All-Star.

The man has burned three teams for 50+ this season, he has his Washington Wiz in the unlikely position of hosting their opponent in the first round of the playoffs, and he’s carrying more than a few fantasy basketball teams. His numbers in 06-07 are extremely impressive (28.9 points, 85% FT, 6 assists, 5 rebounds, 2 steals), but Agent Zero (yeah, we dislike the moniker, too) has made the buzzer beater his personal calling card.

Michael Redd is possessed

Shooting Guard

Michael Redd, 2000, Milwaukee Bucks (Ohio State)

Michael Redd is as pure a scorer as there is in the NBA these days. He sees double-teams on a nightly basis, and yet he manages prolific scoring (20 points/game over his career) with great efficiency (45% career). Redd’s jumper rivals Ray Allen’s for deadliest in the NBA, he’s learned to create his own shot, his passing is decent, and he’s more than capable of putting the lowly Bucks on his back for an entire game. If he was playing anywhere but Milwaukee (ok, or Charlotte, Memphis, etc), Redd would be a household name, but for now has to settle for being revered by close followers of the NBA and not necessarily the casual fans out there David Stern tries so hard to appease.

The duel with Ben Gordon earlier this season, in which he scored 52 points (44 in the first three quarters), was a shining testament to his offensive proficiency. Redd doesn’t beef up his numbers by taking it to the rim and drawing fouls as much as he should, but that only makes his contributions more curious: is anybody in today’s NBA as adept at filling it up the old-fashioned way? More about Michael Redd can be found here.

Small Forward

Rashard Lewis, 1998, Seattle SuperSonics (Alief Elsik High School)

All he wanted to do was play for his hometown Houston Rockets when he declared for the 1998 NBA Draft straight out of high school. To his chagrin, however, the team he grew up adoring politely said “no thanks,” despite having three first-rounders that year, and ETB favorite Lewis reacted by busting out in tears. Call us crazy, but after spending those picks on Michael Dickerson, Bryce Drew, and Mirsad Turkcan, we have a feeling the Rockets are the ones crying now. A lot could have happened between then and now, but can you imagine Lewis, McGrady, and Yao together in Houston? Scary.

The 25-year-old flew under the radar for a spell, but the last couple of years Rashard has made a case for himself as a card-carrying member of The NBA Elite. Another prolific scorer in the vein of Arenas and Redd, Lewis is set for a big pay day this offseason and should be put in a situation to achieve full-fledged stardom in the 2007-08 season. On the year, Lewis is putting up 21.8 points, 7 rebounds, 47% FG, 2.3 three-pointers, 7 rebounds, and 87% FT a game. Meanwhile, Mirsad Turkcan married Dina Dzanković, Miss Serbia and Montenegro 2005.

A member of the Boozer family

Power Forward

Carlos Boozer, 2002, Cleveland Cavaliers (Duke)

Quick: name another professional athlete from Alaska (that dude in the NHL doesn’t count because, well, the NHL doesn’t count). ETB will always remember Boozer’s villianous treachery toward the Cleveland Cavaliers and their vision-impaired owner Gordon Gund (“I’m signing the deal—wink wink—right now… promise”). That move could be a defining moment in the history of both franchises, and has stuck in the craws of the Cavs’ owner and his team’s fans alike, prompting Gund to say, “In the final analysis, I decided to trust Carlos and show him the respect he asked for. He did not show that trust and respect in return” in a letter to Cleveland fans.

Daytime drama moments aside, Carlos has blossomed in Utah to the tune of 21 points, 11.6 rebounds, and 56% FG this season, all career highs. He may be injury prone, suiting up in just 84 games during his first two years in Utah, but when he’s healthy the big Boozer can be an extremely relentless post player who crashes the boards with grace, style, and grit. Like his teammate Mehmet Okur, below, he was selected to his first career all-star game this season, but sat out with an injury. Boozer was also a member of the 2004-05 USA Olympic men’s basketball team, which won a bronze medal (whoopee) with Larry Brown as the head coach.

Center

Mehmet Okur, 2001, Detroit Pistons (Tofas Bursa)

Another member of the Jazz frontcourt, Okur has developed into one of the premier perimeter shooters in the NBA and is a headache for the lumbering big men around the league. Memo is expected to become Utah’s franchise record holder for three-pointers made in a season any game now (he’s averaging nearly two a game, along with over 18 points) and he also made the first All-Star appearance of his five-year career this season.

While Okur does leave a lot to be desired in terms of traditional center skills (rebounds, blocks, interior defense, shooting percentage), his talent and contributions to the 43-23 Jazz cannot be denied. Indeed, along with Boozer and Deron Williams—not Andrei Kirilenko—Memo can be credited with lifting the Utah franchise from the post-Stockton and Malone doldrums and turning them into an NBA force once again. This team was very fortunate to catch the Detroit Pistons with their hands cuffed when Memo became a free agent. As much as GM Joe Dumars wanted to resign him, the money just wasn’t there once Rasheed Wallace came into the picture. Thank god the ‘Stones had Darko, though, to fall back on…

HONORABLE MENTIONS

Point Guard

Mo Williams, 2003, Milwaukee Bucks Utah Jazz (Alabama)[OOPS: Thanks to commentor Sujal for pointing out this oversight] – Mo has really stepped it up in this, his contract year, but look for him to further improve his game next season, whether it’s in Milwaukee or not.

Rafer Alston, 1998, Milwaukee Bucks (Fresno State) – Scrappy little bastard, isn’t he? We’re surprised he still hasn’t choked Van Gundy, and for that alone he deserves mention.

Shooting Guard

Manu Ginobli, 1999, San Antonio Spurs (Viola Reggio Calabria) – It pains us to list the NBA’s premier flop artist here, but there’s no denying what he brings to his team: clutch shooting, tenacious defense, and above-average passing. Man, we really don’t care for Manu. No, sir, not at all.

Cuttino Mobley, 1998, Houston Rockets (Rhode Island) – Mobley has carved himself out a nice little career, with career averages of 16.4 points, 4 rebounds, 2.7 assists, and 43% FG per game. Not sure how much he has left in the tank.

Small Forward

Stephen Jackson, 1997, Phoenix Suns (Butler Community College) – The three-fingered man doesn’t like him much. Neither do we. But when he’s not infesting his team with black cancer or getting arrested, SJax is fully capable of dropping 30 on any given night.

Kyle Korver, 2003, Philadelphia 76ers (Creighton) – We’re not going to mention the Kutcher thing (shit, too late). This guy is pure three-point shooting: nothing more, nothing less. That’s the kind of skill that will translate to a long NBA career for Korver.

Power Forward

Zaza Pachulia, 2003, Orlando Magic (Ülker) – Now with the Atlanta Hawks, Zaza is currently enjoying the best season of his four-year career: 12.1 points, 7 rebounds, and 47% FG a game. He’s really come on since Joe Johnson went down, and has been a boon for fantasy owners at the same time (like me).

Ryan Gomes, 2005, Boston Celtics (Providence) – When Paul Pierce went down, Gomes really stepped up. He’s been sidelined with a sore foot lately, but there’s no question this kid will have a nice, long NBA career… and that he hasn’t yet reached his full potential.

Amir Johnson in the NBADL

Center

Mark Blount, 1997, Seattle SuperSonics (Pittsburgh) – Blount has bounced around a bit during his career, but could have found a home for at least a few more seasons in Minnesota. At least, it sure looked that way until the scouting report got out on him and he started to stink up Target Center. Still, he’s having his best season as a pro.

Marc Jackson, 1997, Golden State Warriors (Temple) – Okay, Jackson hasn’t done much lately, and you could probably make a case for Anderson Varejao, below, appearing here instead. But though he’s proven to be somewhat of a Stephen Jackson cancer at times, when he’s at his best Jackson is a tough rebounder and defender on the blocks.

FUTURE STARS?

Monta Ellis, 2005, Golden State Warriors (Lanier High School)
Trevor Ariza, 2004, New York Knicks (UCLA)
Paul Millsap, 2006, Utah Jazz (Louisiana Tech)
Amir Johnson, 2005, Detroit Pistons (Westchester High School)
Anderson Varejao, 2004, Orlando Magic (FC Barcelona)

35 Comments »Posted by Brian Spencer on Mar. 20, 2007 at 4:21 pm in ETB Articles, NBA

35 Responses

One small correction on this line: “While Okur does leave a lot to be desired in terms of traditional center skills (rebounding, blocks, interior defense, shooting percentage)…”

Okur is actually a very, very good rebounder. Obviously he is known more for scoring, but he goes after rebounds as well as anyone on the team not named Carlos. If he was not on a team with so many other great boarders (Booz, AK47, Millsap, Harpring) he would likely average 10 or 11 per game…

Posted by: Joey P. on March 21st, 2007 at 4:54 pm

Hi Joey,

Thanks for giving this little ditty a read, and I sincerely appreciate your comment. You make a good point about his teammates stealing boards from him, and I agree with you.

In reviewing his stats (at least for this season), what really stuck out to us was that he is *barely* ahead of Eddy Curry in total rebounds for the season (478 to 464), and we all know how much Curry loves to rebound. Still, I do agree with you in that he doesn’t ignore the rebounding part of the game, and that the effort is there.

I’m going to strike that from his flaws. Thanks again.

Posted by: Brian on March 21st, 2007 at 5:01 pm

what about ben wallace. he wasn’t even drafted.

Posted by: dave on March 21st, 2007 at 5:06 pm

Hi Dave: As we mentioned in the introduction, only players drafted in the second round were considered. Big Ben would certainly be our starting center if we did include undrafted players.

Posted by: Brian on March 21st, 2007 at 5:13 pm

Memo Okur’s 2.0 offensive rebounds in 34 minutes per game do not rank in the top 50 in the NBA, and place him behind the likes of Lamarcus Aldridge (21 minutes per), Jared Jeffries (23 minutes), Kwame Brown, Carmelo Anthony, Josh Childress, Kenny Thomas, the aforementioned Eddy Curry and a host of other mediocre-to-bad rebounders. I think it’s safe to say he isn’t a very, very good rebounder. He may not be terrible, but he ain’t good.

Posted by: Andrew on March 21st, 2007 at 5:26 pm

What about that Luke Walton kid? I guess it’s easy to forget about the son of one of the 50 Greatest Players of all time in the NBA, Bill Walton given he plays on one of the most marketed teams the LA Lakers. [/sarcasm]

Honestly though, I’ll take him over Kyle Korver any day. He may not average as many points (Korver 14ppg, Walton 11ppg) but he beats him in every other category except 3pt and FT FG%. Any one who has followed the Lakers this season has noticed that outside of Kobe, it has been Luke (not Odom) who has been the most important driving force/catalyst for the offense. His excellent passing really opens things up and makes the Lakers a much better offensive team. He also brings timely rebounding as a result of improved quickness.

WALTON > Korver, hell even Stephen Jackson with all the baggage he brings to the table

Posted by: Gideon on March 21st, 2007 at 5:36 pm

A suggestion: Nate McMillan, 1986, Seattle Supersonics (NC State)

Posted by: Seth on March 21st, 2007 at 5:38 pm

two words- Toni Kukoc

Posted by: Ariel Elinson on March 21st, 2007 at 5:51 pm

What about Uncle Cliffy?

While Clifford Robinson’s best years are far behind him, he was an All-Star during his heyday. Taken in the 2nd round of the 1989 draft (#36), he’s had a better career than many of the guys on the list.

Posted by: engineer_scotty on March 21st, 2007 at 5:53 pm

Hey guys:

Thanks for reading.

I agree w/ all the above names mentioned. Perhaps we should have made it clearer, but in the introduction we mentioned that this list only includes second-round picks from the last 10 years. Otherwise, Kukoc, Uncle Cliffy, and certainly Mr. McMillan would be on here, along with a host of other gents.

Posted by: Brian on March 21st, 2007 at 7:44 pm

Um, did we forget about Luke Walton? He may not score like Stephen Jackson, but unlike Jackson he is a great glue guy who is vital to a playoff contender. Oh yeah his numbers are pretty good too.

Posted by: Adam on March 21st, 2007 at 7:49 pm

Luke Walton has been having a great year when healthy. But he’s really only got a few quality months on his resume. If he keeps it up, he would certainly make the list next season. But S-Jax (even though I hate him) and Korver (even though I hate him) have a more impressive body of work so far.

Posted by: Andrew on March 21st, 2007 at 8:30 pm

IT IS A CRIME TO HAVE REDD OVER GINOBILI. Name another dude that scores 40 OFF THE BENCH. Even though im a GIGANTIC PISTONS FAN, it is impossible to ignore how good Ginobili is.

Posted by: Prashanth on March 21st, 2007 at 8:40 pm

“Um, did we forget about Luke Walton? He may not score like Stephen Jackson, but unlike Jackson he is a great glue guy who is vital to a playoff contender. Oh yeah his numbers are pretty good too.
Posted by: Adam on March 21st, 2007 at 7:49 pm”

Is there an echo in here?

Posted by: Gideon on March 21st, 2007 at 8:42 pm

I assume that you’re putting each player with the team they were drafted by (Boozer and Cleveland; Okur and Detroit), so I have to say…. Maurice Williams was drafted by the Jazz, not the Bucks. He played in Utah for 1 year before leaving as a free agent after his rookie season.
Other than that small mistake, this is very well done.
As for Okur’s rebounding, the fact that one (or two or three) of Boozer, AK, Harpring and Millsap are always on the floor with him means that he doesn’t need to rebound as much. So we don’t really see what type of rebounder he actually is because he never gets a shot to get a rebound.

Posted by: Sujal on March 21st, 2007 at 10:28 pm

“Perhaps we should have made it clearer, but in the introduction we mentioned that this list only includes second-round picks from the last 10 years” – If this is really true then you might want to change the truehoops front page that says this:

“a blogger’s list of the best second-round picks of all time”

Posted by: Todd on March 21st, 2007 at 11:08 pm

Nick Van Exel?

Posted by: Rob on March 22nd, 2007 at 12:02 am

You’ve already mentioned that the list includes 2nd round picks of the last decade. But if we could expand the list, another name which should be mentioned would be Dennis Rodman. Rodzilla was drafted in the 2nd round of 1986 draft (27th overall) by the Pistons.

Posted by: mete on March 22nd, 2007 at 5:37 am

Awesome article… If you haven’t already done so, I’d like to see what your “all-undrafted” teams look like.

Posted by: Dre on March 22nd, 2007 at 6:11 am

I know you said that these are just from the last 10 years, but I feel I need to throw Mark Price out there. Speaking of Cavalier point guards, Daniel Gibson may make this list in a few seasons.

Good list… that isn’t a bad starting 5.

Posted by: Ben on March 22nd, 2007 at 6:27 am

Add Andray Blatche to the list. Last summer’s highlight was getting in a scrap with police in Miami while hanging out with the Gilb. Now the long lanky one has stepped in for Antawn Jamison when he got hurt and found a role off the bench since his return. This time next year he’ll be on your list for sure.

Posted by: Teanie Mo on March 22nd, 2007 at 10:00 am

OK, maybe Okur is just a “very good” rebounder.
Because he plays out at the 3-point line on offense, he doesn’t get quite as many offensive boards.

Here is my point though: last year with Boozer’s 11 boards per game out of the lineup for 2/3’s of the year, Okur averaged 9.1 rpg for the season which was 14th OVERALL in the league and 7th amoung centers. Pretty good for a guy who supposedly just shoots threes.

Posted by: Joey P. on March 22nd, 2007 at 10:00 am

Redd over Manu, are you kidding? or are you just annoyed the the real 05 finals mvp was able to lead his team to the olympic gold medal over his own coach, team leader duncan, larry brown, iverson, and the rest of the so called nba stars. There’s no player in the nba who did what he did, against what he faced.

Posted by: Anthony on March 22nd, 2007 at 10:21 am

Nick the Quick should back up the Boy Wonder at PG.

Posted by: Darren on March 22nd, 2007 at 11:39 am

Whoops! Sorry, just read the “past 10 years” line.

Posted by: Darren on March 22nd, 2007 at 11:40 am

Manu over Redd. Ginobili was probably the 2005 Finals MVP.

Posted by: Mr. Body on March 22nd, 2007 at 12:48 pm

Since this is the All Second-Round Pick Team, it’s like the All-Star Team. Dennis Rodman can’t make it because he’s not in the NBA, same with Price and Van Exel.

For the purposes of discussion: Would the Spurs swap Ginobili for Redd? I’m not sure. If they did, would the Bucks get better? Would the Spurs? Is it that inconceivable that Redd would have been an NBA Finals MVP candidate if he played for the Spurs in 2005? I’m not certain one way or the other, but I’m curious to hear people’s thoughts.

And don’t point out the Bucks’ record this season right off the bat, they’ve been missing four starters most of the year and they aren’t a very good supporting cast to start with.

Posted by: Andrew on March 22nd, 2007 at 2:13 pm

Sorry–missed the “last 10 years” part. I’m dumber than the team that picked “Trenton Hassell” (?) one pick ahead of Agent Zero.

Posted by: Seth on March 22nd, 2007 at 5:41 pm

Michael Redd IS better than Ginobili. He is a scoring machine. Put him on any other team than the Bucks and everyone would see his skills. If Redd was on Duncan’s team they would still be winning championships. Ginobili is overrated and plays like an out of control mess.

Posted by: Bryan on March 23rd, 2007 at 11:59 am

Ginobili is a better passer than Michael REdd everyday of the week. In addition, GInobili gets more rebounds than Redd this season (4.4 to 4.2) in 12 less minutes of play. Also, Ginobili is so much of a better defender than Michael Redd, in both steals by a wide margin and blocks, that it hardly matters that Redd scores, because every other team’s SG mirrors his points on a nightly basis because Redd cannot stop them. Which is why the Bucks lose on a nightly basis. Lastly, Michael Redd has zero NBA championships to Ginobili’s two. And zero GOld Medals to Ginobili’s one. Not too mention Redd has never been played for his national team (USA). Sadly, if Michael REdd were any good he could at least lead his team out of the first round of the playoffs, considering he makes almost 1½ times more than Ginobili, you would think he could do more for his team. But he cannot.

Posted by: Garreth on March 23rd, 2007 at 4:42 pm

GINOBILI IS BETTER THAN REDD!!!!! GINOBILI PLAYS LESS MINUTES THAN REDD YET CONTRIBUTES MORE TO HIS TEAM.. ITS A SHAME THAT A STUPIED WRITER NAMED BRAIN CANNOT SEE THAT.. THE CHAMPIONSHIP RINGS AND THE GOLD MEDALS DONT LIE…. GINOBILI IS BETTER….

Posted by: fernando lizardi on March 29th, 2007 at 3:43 am

First and foremost I’m a female, and ofcourse I’m no basketball genius, but when I watch countless basketball games with my “SPUR LOVER” boyfriend I myself see that Ginobili is definetly a good and valuable player. HE IS ONE OF THE BEST PLAYERS ON THE TEAM AND WE ALL KNOW REDD CANT COMPARE. Count the rings!

Posted by: Mary Del Angel on March 29th, 2007 at 3:53 am

Good article. Comparing Redd and Ginobili is apples and oranges. Redd is a lead scorer and a guy who carries his team on an nightly basis. Manu is just a complementary player, although he is a good one. He is NOT capable of being the number on guy on his team or any team. For that reason alone, Redd is the player who deserves to be on this list. OK, I am a Milwaukee fan (Keep on losin’ baby!!! We’re up to number 3 in the reverse standings!)

Posted by: wu on March 30th, 2007 at 5:12 pm

Ginobili is a complimentary player because he plays with one of the best players in the NBA. He is a better all around player than redd…Watch the 05 playoffs and tell me who was complimentary

Posted by: steeveepee on April 3rd, 2007 at 1:23 pm

lol michael redd
tplay theodoros plakadopoulos nikos
michael redd spent 4 years in college and still came out a one dimensional player
thats why he was a second round pick

Posted by: ashb on July 19th, 2007 at 8:43 am

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